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Dave Craddock had an F169 on his stall at the Midland a couple of months ago at a grand. It was sold I think in the course of the morning, at least it was no longer in his case when I went back for a second look. I had passed it as too pricey initially but somebody seems to have bitten. However I did win the Baldwins one at £420 ie £540 ish with juice, fairly happy with that though the slab needs a polish. One I always look for on the bay. I also need an F164A but was not tempted by the Baldwins offerings. A better one will pop up eventually. Jerry

Yes, that £3000 coin is a modern Chinese replica, I’ve emailed the vendor as he doesn’t seem to be a habitual fake seller. Jerry

This seller of fake Saxon and Celtic coins states that he has export approval from the ‘English Arts Council’. Well, even as a fictitious body I wouldn’t want to keep them here! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Anglo-Saxon-AR-Early-Sceattas-Series-H-Type-48-HAMWIC-Mint-c-720-AD-M11/323820281502?hash=item4b65315e9e:g:9OUAAOSwX0Zc7nvY Jerry

I am afraid that the raw party vote numbers mean nothing when it comes to a further referendum. Labour are not in the above chart, presumably because despite their declared policy being to leave with an “agreement” (essentially no actual change from the current relationship but to lose voting rights) in reality their actual policy is to do whatever it takes to force a general election. In a referendum a significant number of Labour voters , perhaps a third , would vote to leave, as would a smaller proportion of Liberals, Greens, SNP etc, etc. and likewise a small percent of the Conservative , DUP etc voters would select remain. The only voters that would near unanimously support their parties declared policy are Brexit, UKIP, and perhaps the ‘English Democrats ‘. Professor Curtis had it right when he declared that Britain remains split down the middle, that there is no evidence voting intentions have changed and that only a fool would demand a further referendum anticipating a particular result. All the spin is simply designed to make us dizzy. Jerry

There’s your answer, Peter! They hardly circulate, but are still required for some transactions. Jerry

This vendor seems confident in identifying the ja reverse variety on a Freeman 72. Maybe. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1874-PENNY-F72-rev-ja/273847142732?hash=item3fc28fc94c:g:JekAAOSwpcpc3BYk Jerry

But even then the absent ‘H’ could be due to die fill. If it wasn’t for the unique (for 1882) die pairing, would we be so confident with the agreed ‘no H’ variety? The couple of ‘no H’ 1876 are generally accepted as die fill. I suppose a reasoned judgement published by a top expert , a Freeman or Gouby equivalent, would have to be the determining factor in the absence of contemporary records. Jerry

Yes, that was the main indicator of the doubt, and what DNW didn’t seem to get to grips with at first but I think Chris does now. I think that whatever the (historic) cause of the dishing of the flan below the date, the end result is the removal of the ‘H’. It looks to me like a coin that may have been in the ground at one time, and when cleaned on recovery a thin layer of patina was rubbed off, along with the mintmark. But I have seen several ‘no H’ with the wrong obverse offered for sale, including by LCA. What would it take, I wonder, for this combination too to be considered a true variety? Jerry

Chris Finch of DNW asked me to look at the 1882 no H penny at the MCF yesterday. There is no visible evidence of the ‘H’ under the loupe but I also felt it was a little ‘dished’ under the date. No recent shenanigans, but as it is one of those coins that has considerable surface patination it is quite possible that the ‘H’ might have been lost. Either that, or a filled die, as the obverse is clearly ‘wrong’ for the ‘no H’ as we recognise it, though I don’t know that can be entirely written in stone. My advice was that if they do try to sell it, an explanation of the reservations about its authenticity would have to be included in the description, then the punters can make up theit own minds. Not one for me. The links can be found above. Jerry

I have no sympathy for the bidders in this case. The vendor, if a little clumsily, does make it clear that this is a base metal gap-filler. People really must read the descriptions. I doubt they will get their money back in this case. Jerry

That’s nice guys. Well done both.😋 Jerry

That’s wonderful. I was born in the Shetlands, spent my first six years on Fair Isle where my dad was the warden of the bird observatory. I have never been back, despite fond early memories. I must remedy that. Jerry

Buying it themselves, possibly. This coin, https://www.ebay.com/itm/KREMNA-in-PISIDIA-Authentic-Ancient-Amyntas-Galatia-King-Greek-Coin-ZEUS-i77184-/233193738940?_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l44720&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true sold and feedback received, is for sale again https://www.ebay.com/itm/KREMNA-in-PISIDIA-Authentic-Ancient-Amyntas-Galatia-King-Greek-Coin-ZEUS-i77184/352659299993?item=352659299993&pageci=eb59148d-ed8e-4fb0-b683-4b9f13f596bb&redirect=mobile so all is not as it seems. Jerry

From its appearance I would be suspicious of a cast coin I’m afraid. Let’s see what others think. Jerry

“If real” is key here, there are more fakes than genuine of these about. http://rg.ancients.info/owls/forgeries.html For a start, we need much better close-up photos. These pics are the sort of quality associated with less reliable EBay sellers. Jerry

Ah, but it is back...... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victoria-1-Penny-1863-Genuine-Proof-Grade-EF/233219981496?hash=item364cfe80b8:g:SsgAAOSwajRc0YoC Jerry

Number of lifetime sexual conquests, and partners satisfaction rating? Or so I’m told, obviously! Jerry

These weak strikes and worn dies are often an issue for my pennies too. In terms of actual circulation, I feel the amount of real wear is likely to be indicated by the better side, in that the general effects of circulation (“shove ha’penny” and local damage aside) should be symmetrical. I would agree that in terms of wear the reverse of your coin is AU to MS. Logically in terms of wear the obverse will be similar. Of course the sharpness of the strike is always a factor in the overall desirability of a coin. Jerry

I also had emailed DNW, and at the Midland Coin Fair Chris Finch mentioned it and reminded me (I had forgotten). They had taken the issue up with the vendor, it seems he was aware of the doubts and had been ‘trying it on’ rather. Anyway they had agreed to withdraw it, quite correctly. Likewise was a little surprised at the lack of an email acknowledgment though. Jerry

Well done, not my field but a useful addition to the corpus of knowledge. Jerry

It is the same for me, but the prolongation that seems inevitable does increase the opportunity for things to get out of hand and perhaps a bit too bitter. I agree that tolerating and respecting our differences is essential, but there have been a number of heated exchanges over the months (years?) and I hope these don’t threaten the integrity of the forum as a whole. It has been absorbing (in a horror movie sort of way) watching the parliamentary process progress- or not - but in this forum, where we should be pulling together in our love of numismatics, I do worry that we are learning a bit too much about each other and getting a bit too emotional for comfort. Jerry

It is madness. And there is another dealer on the USA EBay site who has hundreds of slabbed common uk coins at similar prices, many artificially toned (which seems to pass muster with the slabbers). Is there really a market? Talk about the fool and his money.... Jerry

I am beginning to doubt the wisdom of continuing this thread regarding such a divisive subject, particularly as the issue seems set to drag on for months if not years, and not just in the context of my spat with Peckris, but of many other heated posts over the months. This is a coin forum, yet this thread is setting member against member, and there is of course no particular right answer, only opinion , which is often unedifying. What say you all? Jerry

No. The dispossessed working class northerners were about thumbing their noses at the Westminster elite, which is what many Leave votes were about.

Chris, that is a separate sentence moving on to another point, and not quoting you, but referring to a “popular remainer conception” ie numbers of people that I, as others posting, have heard clearly expressing these sorts of ridiculous views. Do I detect a hint of paranoia here? You have chosen to mis-interpret my comments, and then wilfully ignore my previous rebuttal. At no stage was I quoting you as calling leave voters ignorant, and I pointed that out above. However my first comment that you hi-light does refer to your written tendency to put the ‘working class’ leave vote down to general dissatisfaction with government of all parties, and the desire to give them a bloody nose, rather than being a rational decision , based on intellect (the same, on average, as remain voters) and available information (also the same access to the media ) in the background of their real life experiences (job security, immigration pressures on services, housing etc as mentioned before). That is my criticism, the point I made and have just repeated, though the reasons people vote in a certain way are of course multifactorial, and it is perhaps not wise for me to state why a remain voter should vote that way, though I might have more empathy with and understanding of the motivations of a leave voter. Jerry