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Yes, I got really excited last night when I saw it - a new die pairing ! Too good to be true, sadly.

There is a penny on Ebay claiming to be a 1922 F192A (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/315165500518?itmmeta=01HQ4BZS9A4NM7ZVFA9MG6MAZ0&hash=item496153e466:g:y9gAAOSwvNFl04mN&itmprp=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4N7kipPiTz0BCXQMgWC6iSMHj%2F5zvSQuQxWjY2cu6yNpjIZ%2F525P%2FMzwhnjKHRdVzwKOh6%2FxD6k4m96TMefoC3i%2FZ2un8azd78R6UEDf2IuGAYr0HhlODfACMlsManI4g1BRVpGQ5Sq39AMYB3bjQ5wmJK2xzvaT1gCcKIVsvA3uVJ8yJrk51DdWtXHwbQQI8xiym02pABGTJhbO165Zxo9HC4Zs5OB9xVhJ%2FunFcmFvno8bmwJUwd9jETHNc%2Bywt3%2Bkx7mF%2BLRWFiUYuLO2T%2FUNKhZ%2F9BZwQh8JWTUektfo|tkp%3ABk9SR96U_4u5Yw but is the same reverse (same photo actually) as the coin sold by London Coins in September 2019 but with a different obverse photo - different colour, different background !!!!!!!!! (https://londoncoins.co.uk/?page=Pastresults&searchterm=1922+Penny&searchtype=1) I smell a rat.

Yes, none of the fake copper coins have that wider tooth under the date. Their teeth are incredibly uniform.

I can't see any logic in this, apart rom the recently invented and subjective "ultra cameo" description.

Thanks Martin - I'll take a detailed look at all the replica dates and add that information.

Some woke t*sser will probably take exception to this, but here goes:

OK - I think I understand. There must have many different dies, all with slightly differing widths. Gouby's Ae has a lower 7 so that makes your picture immediately above unlisted ? Do you agree that Ian's and my examples of Ad are valid ?

I'm getting confused with things. The picture in your post above which I showed as 1870Ae is surely exactly the same as Gouby's Ae in the picture above ?

Terry is saying that this is 1870 Ac but Ac has the 0 to the left of a tooth . Picture courtesy of Michael Gouby

Something many of us relate to.............

BP1870Ae - Gouby says rare.

I have one of these and noted that it wasn't recorded by Michael but never sent him the pictures. I can now classify it as Ad.

There's one on Ebay right now https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186290037921?hash=item2b5fc064a1:g:TbEAAOSw91Blw5DF&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0NA%2BGFRJmh2erTTEBYs%2BgDLYnACv2ObqiaVyHs0tWh%2Fz7%2FkLGizq8lvZLd2xZYQtPuEkA7FY%2BcteAQXIDN4Fy7Iaro0lfjHrydJ3OPSxekY2fL408VxSpi82H2nlW4bXdQ8uzAYLQah%2BHBi7DLqZCS5AqMS44iStXic%2BgA7ybGQrj7wUN2s5hd5RUkzGp2fA7XE5AT7og2p1JfuYSLw%2BHw60NohGN%2FHff8AiH4Wt8Bh%2BU6rbTnungCIIu4GfXBbZFYrvanDjoRtsIxjTJSLQYG8%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR7KQh6CxYw

I've started this now and would welcome any comments/suggestions

Please do, Pete. We need to stop this. I'm going to put a new page on my varieties website to illustrate these fakes.

I'm furious as I've been messaging the seller telling him that many of his coins are fakes but he's just telling me to stop harassing him. I hope the buyers can tell the difference but I suspect that they're not experts.

Yes, I agree but that 1849 fake just sold for £232 !!!

It's carried over from the "uncirculated" ones. And absent on a genuine coin

The fake/replica coins have quite a deep "scar" in the queen's hair that still shows in worn coins and is not present in genuine coins:

And this guy is making a lot of money selling them: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/196217830331?hash=item2daf7e7bbb:g:pKMAAOSw~0xluNZ4&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0EmSRXm4oigGHs2VZdI8DrArm11xpKYjXu%2FYzGhQyoD%2FcqA54GbMUK7kXeAC1wewqAWkyMxasw9K4rQiWyxLcTK7uRyW8bebzI%2F8ERyrL9y9ZyDx%2FgX0mJf7jVRwvemuvgrufTmT%2BF%2BRoW8mVt2OTs5TJEMY5kCbSfk18K89jQ7ppYJcDb2XUKKZd8VBwPji3zEP1R06H6ttSSeAL0XV8x1Becgl8cDuC9O1bmk%2FXqVp8%2F5gTPFpFpPs4NrjWiGSO8v97UwK766aNDo2tfDm52s%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR4b8wsmrYw

Further to my previous post, they are now making replica coins in an "aged" condition and they are appearing on Ebay in increasing numbers. The fake obverses all have 180 border beads/teeth whereas the genuine coins have 175.

I bought this one for £30 3 years ago for novelty value.

I reported this listing to Ebay today - it's an obvious replica: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325985059920?hash=item4be6394450:g:EHcAAOSwp91ltkcq&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0AaRk5xddPBH27qigZUEyIop%2F5aKdToWXukNQwqQ0lLkgbH4OTBEYJHeXHERTqxPpmlcWUb%2F%2FcuOe1KATXNU5H5CNFBMrLHzryB8hUk8QaYAvhSiKKJmdWdlrIXa3ec5ihlO3Te3EquK8ZkkZmpKq4npCftNxc6s01sSHuHKqGBqPgAc5JTy4vVwkAogn0yNRGL6mvklppjN%2Firp0GOnn%2F%2B4KTwzFe3B4KbGSXVm9jghyuzQ5lZYnK4%2Fe9%2F5%2B8L1JigBasGKsM%2B1EZPrrgHh0jg%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR6SBpJWqYw And here's their reply: What happened: We looked into your report and didn’t find the listing to be in violation of our policy. This determination was made using automation or artificial intelligence. So that's alright then.

Her prehensile big toe is also rather creepy.