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Her prehensile big toe is also rather creepy.

Yes, the teeth are too long, her right thumb is too short, the left hand waves cover the teeth plus a few other minor details but generally the best attempt at a bronze penny that I've seen to date.

That reverse is scarily good - I had to count the teeth to make sure but the fake has 180 teeth whereas the genuine article has 187.

Given the large 5 was only used from 1856-59, could the last numeral be a combination of 7, 8 and 9 ?

And here's another example - listed as 1858 over 3 on Ebay but it doesn't have the characteristic die flaw through the base of the numerals, although it does have the "classic" large 5.

They're getting better at this. It's much better than the Victorian bronze pennies.

I'm sure that people on here would be prepared to buy in the UK and post to the US.

When one talks about the possible 1858 overdates, there is an assumption that previous dies from an earlier year were reused with the final digit being altered or over-punched, i.e the 1858 over 3 is an altered die from 1853 (or, as Gouby theorises, 1852). One assumes that the Bramah 25c above also results from these dies or 1854 or even other. The problem is that the 1858 large date, 1858 over 3 and the Bramah 25c are clearly struck with the classic large date 5 with the distinctively shaped pointed top as seen below: (sorry about the different size of images) But 1853 and 1854 (and 1851) pennies, however, were struck with very differently shaped 5s, suggesting that dies from those years were NOT re-used. Unless I'm missing something ?

It remains a mystery.

Seems logical - they get rid of all the shrapnel with out having to lug them to the bank themselves.

Gary Schindler wanted these pages added to this post:

Michael Gouby sent me a photo of another 1861 F27 ! I've added it to the rare penny site. They're still out there !!!!

A few of us contributed appendices covering varieties identified after the 1985 version, including those recorded by Gouby.

I immediately emailed the auction house about this but never received an acknowledgement.

That 4 looks on the slant to me - or am I seeing things ?

Exactly. You just can't rely on photographs to reflect reality.

Here are 2 1806 pennies, both sold as F1328 Bronzed - compare the colours !

I agree that it looks like copper. Bronzed specimens tend to look a browny-pink (see below) .

Yes, on P1325, 1326, 1327 and an unrecorded mule (which I own an example of). See my website - https://headsntails14.wordpress.com/george-iii-1805-06-patterns-proof-restrikes/

Happy New Year to all collectors and may you find that elusive coin you've been after for years !

Grinch !!!!

Much better picture than the Laurie catalogue.