Paulus

Watching that, thanks!

Go Debbie

I note that he is careful not to proffer a genuine numismatic grade for this one (which should of course read 'a very common coin in Fine'), unlike many of his other (also over-graded) offerings, only 'very high', therefore far more subjective ... I have noted in the past that he seems to combine clever photography, tilted angles, and sales patter, to achieve a top price, caveat emptor indeed

...and the fact that it has the large head obverse that didn't appear until 1889. I suspect that Dave has that clincher up his sleeve!

Ah, yes, Lucido, seems to manage to polish his turds very well and get a good price!

Its maybe a sign of the times that good coins are harder to come by.........I'm not a huge fan of CC as i bought about 4 and sent 1 back from the 4........They were obviously at one time a bigger dealer than they are now. Poor grading will always come back to haunt anyone, good grading will only enhance a reputation and repeat business Couldn't agree more Dave, my favourite dealers for accurate grading are our very own Rob and Michael Gouby, I have had issues with many well known others! Problem being Paul, that good coins will cost top end and perhaps where copper123 is not prepared to go, you have to decide eventually. Mr Gouby has an 1875H penny which i have an issue with his grading on, I had a much better one but he's grading his as EF, in my mind it's no chance in hell as being EF. His price 750 quid, i sold mine to a forum member for 400 I have been pleased so far with my first few purchases from Michael, most of which I saw 'in the flesh' at his shop ... I think you are a strict grader which is a good thing, but I have yet to buy from you! Here is my first purchase from Michael which perhaps colours my judgement!: Described as nVF and £210, which I thought was an extremely good buy ... other members' opinions may differ! I did visit him recently and he was upping his prices, stating that he could no longer buy the same coins in the same grades for what he was selling them for. And I have yet to/may not ever get into copper/bronze, which is undoubtedly a different area of expertise! Only going by personal experience of course, have been happy with John Newman lately (as I read so have others), while I feel Colin Cooke, Bucks Coins and INGRAM offerings are consistently over-graded and/or overpriced ... also noting that more and more 'bricks and mortar' / traditional dealers are listing on the Bay!

Its maybe a sign of the times that good coins are harder to come by.........I'm not a huge fan of CC as i bought about 4 and sent 1 back from the 4........They were obviously at one time a bigger dealer than they are now. Poor grading will always come back to haunt anyone, good grading will only enhance a reputation and repeat business Couldn't agree more Dave, my favourite dealers for accurate grading are our very own Rob and Michael Gouby, I have had issues with many well known others!

Next one is 14th October

near EF on the obverse and EF on the reverse in my inexpert opinion

That is Isambard Kingdom Brunel as featured on the Olympics opening ceremony and played by Kenneth Brannagh

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Depends how much you want to spend. Better are available and should be found in a reasonable timeframe. They are nowhere near as rare as the halfcrown or shilling in high grade, but are still scarce. Aim to pay 2-3 times that for a 1903 or 4 in similar grade. Thanks as ever Rob, priceless advice ... but why are 1905 florins priced at 3-4 times 1903 and 1904 (just going by latest Tony Clayton prices)? Is this an example where price guides are massively wrong? This is what his website says you might expect to pay a dealer for Eddie 7 florins, is this way out Rob? ok, it wont let me post another image at the moment, in summary: 1903 VF 35 EF 120 1904 VF 40 EF 150 1905 VF 160 EF 600 If so, I am using the wrong information to guide me! You seem to readily rely on Tony Claytons website for prices Paul. Go through some auction houses realised prices and check those, those will be more up to date for this year. A little homework goes a long way Thanks Dave and noted, it is true that I use Spink and Clayton et al as a guide, realising that I might be able to obtain the coins in those grades at auctions etc at half the dealers'/listed prices if I do my homework ... but I was trusting them as relative price guides, i.e. 1905 florins realising 3-4 times more than 1903 and 1904, perhaps I shouldn't! Always learning!

Depends how much you want to spend. Better are available and should be found in a reasonable timeframe. They are nowhere near as rare as the halfcrown or shilling in high grade, but are still scarce. Aim to pay 2-3 times that for a 1903 or 4 in similar grade. Thanks as ever Rob, priceless advice ... but why are 1905 florins priced at 3-4 times 1903 and 1904 (just going by latest Tony Clayton prices)? Is this an example where price guides are massively wrong? The price posted isn't excessive. I would have said that a 1903 or 1904 looking as the image does would cost about £100 with the 1905 reasonable value at £200+. Mint state you can name your price within reason for most years, but that requires a lot of patience to obtain one. 1905 florins quite often appear in lower grades. It is above EF that the price differentials really kick in. I'd say that the EF prices are too low for 1903 and 1904. Having said that, the market has softened of late for mid grade pieces whatever they are unless highly desirable. £120 for an EF 1903 seems very cheap. Thanks for the clarification, I thought at first you were suggesting that 1903 and 1904 florins would command higher prices in a similar grade as the 1905 pics ... now I think you are saying that £175 might be a fair price unless I want to wait for a better one. Thing is, I don't really want to pay top dollar to get all Eddie silver in GEF/AUNC, much more interested in early milled with my budget ... and have thought for a while that high grade Eddie 7 silver is a good investment, maybe aside from 1903 HC and 1905 SH and HC, but that is a different matter altogether!

Depends how much you want to spend. Better are available and should be found in a reasonable timeframe. They are nowhere near as rare as the halfcrown or shilling in high grade, but are still scarce. Aim to pay 2-3 times that for a 1903 or 4 in similar grade. Thanks as ever Rob, priceless advice ... but why are 1905 florins priced at 3-4 times 1903 and 1904 (just going by latest Tony Clayton prices)? Is this an example where price guides are massively wrong? This is what his website says you might expect to pay a dealer for Eddie 7 florins, is this way out Rob? ok, it wont let me post another image at the moment, in summary: 1903 VF 35 EF 120 1904 VF 40 EF 150 1905 VF 160 EF 600 If so, I am using the wrong information to guide me!

Depends how much you want to spend. Better are available and should be found in a reasonable timeframe. They are nowhere near as rare as the halfcrown or shilling in high grade, but are still scarce. Aim to pay 2-3 times that for a 1903 or 4 in similar grade. Thanks as ever Rob, priceless advice ... but why are 1905 florins priced at 3-4 times 1903 and 1904 (just going by latest Tony Clayton prices)? Is this an example where price guides are massively wrong?

This one is currently on a dealer's website at £175, about right or wait for better? Opinions welcome as ever!

Link is below, unfortunately I am a complete ignoramus with hammered! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310428456958;jsessionid=6B5C0D362A065BDC8F6587867AF32071?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D310428456958%26_rdc%3D1

John is argentumandcoins like his web site I think

Not feeling in any way negative at the moment, but I invite all to post their frustrations here. eBay related stuff is taken as read, so apart from that! My top 3 would be: Rubbish scans/pics by sellers and auctioneers Grading for type which for me means grading by rarity, in other words the rarer the coin the more lax the grading Ignorance from numismatic professionals, including dealers and BNTA members I feel better now having posted that!!!

Most of my ladies have been happy with a bit of Suffolk purple vein. That's a kind of cheese, right? Actually a fruit. Well it is a peach (Best enjoyed with a piece of cheese, though :D ) You make it too complicated...it's just CHEESE! Very nice with Port and a Starbird! In an attempt to steer this thread ever more away from coins and increasingly surreal (but of course remaining faithful to the 'Something for the ladies' topic), I would like to put forward Venezuelan Beaver Cheese as a tenuous and delicious food item

Superb Richard! Methinks you are loving your coins at the moment!

:lol: :lol: tee hee this Dave/Peck banter only gets better!

Yey, that works even better ... Grammatically correct too, Peck take note ... True, but there isn't any combination of "t" and "o" (or even "oo") Lass mich überlege und komm ich zurück Sie haben 24 Stunden ...

Thanks for that Peter!!

nearly as old as me!!!! .....me too would you agree that grade is fine?. I'm with Rob on this, yes