It will take a while but, one day, you'll be privy to the hammered shake! It's for the privileged shakey few...but it's a twisty-thumb, shake-your-bum, nod-your-head, twiddle-your-feet, club thing (but don't tell anyone!) ovtherwise I'd be out TG set it up about 2 years ago, with Rob as president, and Chris watching on behalf of the USSR government! I sold up once I knew that!