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The trouble is, it's too generic. It says nothing about the owner's name and/or business or what particular aspect of coins the website is about. IMO it would be like someone specialising (either as collector or dealer) in vintage BMWs, having a domain name of "automobiles.com". It would be good for a general educational site about coins, their history, etc .. if Wikipedia didn't already exist Totally on the ball, PK, a useless search term for coins! You may as well have AUTOmatic.com, for all the good it would do you as a search term!It's an academic site name, which could be acquired for pennies, if you were happy with numis-coins.com or numismatic-history.com, etc.!

I think Spinks is as good for Tudor at least! It's a little more useful pre-that, not much though, as you still have to rely on more specific texts for full provenance!

But it was butchered, Dave! I would've paid £50 for it, and maybe I'm a bit bid shy on account of funds, but one will turn up on eBay where someone forgets to mention 1st issue or Lis...I'll have that one, but I still wouldn't bid more than £50 at that grade Would be interesting to look at the auction history of LIS pennies?

I guess it goes back to the point, what actually defines AT! Because a 're-toning nicely' coin, which many must be out there, or a time-suspended toned coin, which has suddenly been unlocked from its dark place (or slab) to begin a second, possibly third, stage of toning, is that a genuine tone? Really difficult! But, I guess for myself, that, as long as the tone looks natural (ie not accelerated in any way) in its progression, it's all good! Eye appeal is of course king and, to use the OP coin as an example, I'd want to suspend it in exactly the state it's in presently...which also begs the question, if someone had had the same thought in 1920, would it be a lesser coin not to have had its full 100 year whack of oxidation and grime?

I think it's all about intent. A silver coin stored in inert conditions will over many years go though grey and eventually to black. Add any type of polution into the mix and you get colours. So is storing a silver coin in an old brown envelope AT or NT.Apologies to all for sidetracking this great thread, but silver coins do not follow a predictable colour change! I recently lived right beside the Severn estuary, and any and ALL exposed coins would go steely blue with rainbow hues! It's been annoying to say the least, as they look atrocious until they go through this 'window' and either 'brown-out' or go dark enough that they don't look US rainbow-toned!I've got an E7 Crown that I've had in said conditions, which I'm going to sell just as soon as I get it photographed (I'll post them up here for interest, though it's now much darker than it was in the rainbow zone), it's had nothing added, just a coin sat on the cupboard!

So, this also raises a new point...what determines AT? Is an old, deep grey, hammered coin, that has been cleaned from the ground, and then stored in an old collector's cabinet for 200 years, artificially toned? Is a previously dipped coin, that's been sat on the top shelf of a kitchen cupboard for the last year, artificially toned?

Story time. Bidder 1: 33% activity with seller. Bidder 2: 100% activity with seller. Bidder 3: 33% activity with seller. Bidder 1 has their only other two bids with just one seller in the Clothing category. Bidder 3 has their only other two bids with, conveniently, just one seller in Baby Clothes. As for the other bidder, 100% activity with same seller but retracted as 'Entered Wrong Amount'. What's the bet the two sellers in the Clothing categories are Bidders 1 and 3? I was just going to say 'I wonder if people are thinking it's the rare large bust 3D on account she's calling it a sixpence'?But you've just answered that one!

Stuart, the seller clearly knows what they're talking about. Her response to an innocent question by an 'unsuspecting' eBayer was as follows: "ive had this coin since my dad passed away in 1996 he was a collector ,,had it valued ,, its worth a lot more but I thought ide start auction low ,,its exact coin to ths one ,,,thanks for intrest ,,,ebay id 260642742187 " Great. So it's now a countermarked 'sixpence', too. Perfect. What's interesting, is she doesn't point to this comparison in her listing, so who's bidding?Also, Timeline, how I skip past their listings! I love the 'unique, unrecorded' countermark and their 'illustrated certificate of authenticity'! Having said that, I'm not in a position to check it properly now, but that 'unique' countermark does have a whiff of back and fore-legs of a sitting greyhound about it? I'd certainly be measuring up the punch height and looking at the E6 countermarked coins! Couldn't afford it, even if it was...could be worth a double-check, though????? Could also just be a 'unique' bit of arsing around! I'll still take a look tomorrow night, though, unless it's 'ruled' out before then!

Speechless, Jaggy! Wow!

And that CNUT and Cromwell! Blinking, Blimey, Bonkers! And ALL the others on here...it's like a sweet shop!

The obverse legend of your HG is only thought to exist on one die, which is 'ANG FRA Z HIB RE'! All other Lis Halfgroats matching that legend should match your coin...or would otherwise be a new variety! I so, so, wish I had the time to follow things like that up!

Phwoar! This is a good thread, Paulus...certainly hit the nail on the head...I must have a dig through some of my own!

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I knew this would be hot, but not £171 hot for a mashed-up example! Wow! 300990122622

Another bidder has entered the foray. Shame they, too, have 100% bidding activity with the seller... My guess is the seller's young, got a few mates in the pub watching it, and showing off the sale of an old coin that they found...or something very similar?

That's not fair game, Paulus, whilst you have that E7 in your armoury! Edit: of course, translating a favourite tone into a digital format is altogether a different matter!

When I bought my first hammered coin, I spent my whole time thinking 'this can't be real, surely?' 'A sixpence of E1 for less than £20, no way, can't be genuine?'How is it, then, that for everyone else, who know absolutely nothing about coins, and who have probably never even seen a Tudor coin before, let alone own one, take so much convincing that the item they have is actually a fake? It never ceases to amaze me?

Hmm. Three fairly new bidders. When I looked earlier two of them had 100% bidding history with the seller. I wonder what could be going on there... Well it is half a shilling ... baffling otherwise!A quarter, Paulus! It's a 3d

reet popular little token that!

Oh, JC, a reserve on it too!Couldn't resist posting some of the details, just in case anyone fancies buying it! A "rear" hammered [sounds fun for a virgin queen] queen elizabeth the first 1562 silver coin "with the sheild on other side" [well we'd better have that one then!] in good condition for its age the pictures ive put on are poor but the markings on both sides are easy to see and would look good in a "coin collectors collection" [indeed it would!]. Well if you think that one is good then have a wee snipe on this one Item number: 161131769461 What is going on there? £650 starting bid? For a regular, though genuine for a change, 1562 THREEPENCE? I've got a box of coins in that grade she can help herself to at £50 a pop...everyone's a winner! The pewter copies of 1562 are generally threepences, rather than 6d's, which ebayers nearly always list them as! tch!

Oh, JC, a reserve on it too!Couldn't resist posting some of the details, just in case anyone fancies buying it! A "rear" hammered [sounds fun for a virgin queen] queen elizabeth the first 1562 silver coin "with the sheild on other side" [well we'd better have that one then!] in good condition for its age the pictures ive put on are poor but the markings on both sides are easy to see and would look good in a "coin collectors collection" [indeed it would!].

The first 2 coins in this link actually have a rainbow running through them ... am I imagining things or has this got too ridiculous for words?Utterly speechless! If enough hasn't already been said to discredit the TPGC's on this forum, it certainly is very nicely consolidated in this thread!It's a bit like a Noel Edmond's Gottcha...I keep expecting someone to jump out and say April Fool! Someone? Anyone? I can't take this nonsense area of the coin market anymore...I'm totally incredulous!

Wow, how the hell does anyone find the time to list nearly 3500 items on eBay! My hero! Couldn't find the 6d amongst them, though?

What's that VAT 20% thing? Never seen that on eBay before!

This is crap then. Colours are all over the place. The sky is blue with a big patch of yellow - whatever next? And the sea really is the Red Sea. Naughty old Peck and the dirty vicar from Tewkesbury for doctoring this coin long before it became fashionable. Another Turner on the back of that old coin! I just hope it's possible to suspend that toning for all eternity, would be a shame to lose that piece of art!Fabulous coin, and proud heritage, once again!