Coinery

Some companies offer 75% Spinks so I guesss it comes down to you to prove the grade of the lost coins. I think I need to think seriously about photographing my collection. I think the company I'm with offer 100% Spinks. If they use Spinks as their benchmark where does CGS come into it. Yes, that's the bit that would worry me! How many people could really prove that? Even in-hand there are indifferences but, with photography, how many can take a picture of a coin that captures tone/lustre/grade/perfection all in one snap? I'm fearful that a coin payout might meet with the same disappointment I've experienced in the past.

Has anybody ever had to make a claim against coin loss? What was the outcome in financial terms? I often wonder how they'd pay because, if it's anything like motoring claims, it's been my experience that you never get close to the value you're insured for!

Does anyone know off the top of their head what our DG added to the Freeman and Davies catalogue? Just out of interest, Steve, do you also draw the line at the F numbers, or do you fish out the extra Gouby's and Groom's? 1959 1/S 1944 1d 1918 farthings 1915/16 recessed ears 1912 halfpennies 1911 6d 1911 1d 1911 halfpennies 1911 farthings 1906 1/- 1904 1/- 1903 1/- off the top of my head (kinda). Sorry if I missed any, Dave! That's just got to be worth a

It's a shame these figures can't be meaningfully gathered, as Tesco's might gather their percentage customers buying Tetley against PG Tips! Are you going to have a table in September?

What I am curious about, and now making reference to the list that Declan put up, is the number of people who actually collect those particular additions, to determine the number of people who are actively collecting the newly catalogued varieties of the 20thC? As we have loosely established that varieties only tend to be collected when catalogued in print, I was thinking the number of collectors of the new Groom additions, for example, would not likely exceed the number of copies distributed. A correlation must exist between new publications distributed AND the number of active collectors of the new varieties contained within it? Everson might also be another good contender here. I wonder how many farthing collectors actually collect the E numbers? Or do they collect the BMC varieties and list the E numbers just because they are available, much like SKI does by adding the Groom die-pairings? I'd pay for an app. Dave!

Justorum semita lux splendens. Sorry, that was my school motto... Semper in Excretio, Solum Profundum Variat Not sure if I've remembered this correctly, but this was on the the wall in Frenchay Main Theatres Recovery...and it was true!

Does anyone know off the top of their head what our DG added to the Freeman and Davies catalogue? Just out of interest, Steve, do you also draw the line at the F numbers, or do you fish out the extra Gouby's and Groom's? 1959 1/S 1944 1d 1918 farthings 1915/16 recessed ears 1912 halfpennies 1911 6d 1911 1d 1911 halfpennies 1911 farthings 1906 1/- 1904 1/- 1903 1/- off the top of my head (kinda). Sorry if I missed any, Dave! Crikey, Declan, that's an impressive response time! Thanks for that!

Happy daze!

Does anyone know off the top of their head what our DG added to the Freeman and Davies catalogue? Just out of interest, Steve, do you also draw the line at the F numbers, or do you fish out the extra Gouby's and Groom's?

And if you ask him nicely you might get a signed copy!

There's a forum member with one on eBay presently!

I'm guessing the micro-gurus, Nick, Declan, Bob, & VS, could also have some ideas based upon their sense of competition for the coins?

Wow, this begs SO many questions! 3. Do publications create variety hunters on their own? Yes, this is kind of what I'm driving at, but more succinctly put by you, do publications create the variety hunter? If they do then, for the 20thC, there would only be a number less than the number of books Dave has sold, at least for the extra varieties he has identified, presumeably? I guess micro-variety could be defined as anything that sets it aside from its primary classification though, as you say, it's a very wooly boundary? From a collecting point of view, I'm thinking a variety collector would feed from a book, say Davies, and then expand on that further with the extra Groom's, and if a further catalogue arrives with even greater reduction, then I'm sure someone will collect them too, as a completist? Something I've noticed, which is quite bizarre, is that an unrecorded variety attracts considerably less attention than a catalogued one, even though you might speculate that the unrecorded is potentially rarer!

If you look up the post title 'Mr David Groom' you'll be able to PM him and get the book at forum member rates!

I've sure Dave will be able to add, based loosely on book sales, but how many micro-variety collectors do you think there are out there? I'm guessing the micro-gurus, Nick, Declan, Bob, & VS, could also have some ideas based upon their sense of competition for the coins? I'm speculating here, but I'm presuming the 20th century collectors are all using the DG Bible as their reference, with it being Davies and a bit more? I personally stop at the D numbers at present, but I do wonder at the rate of expansion into the Groom field?

Grading Coins, Davies, ESC & Groom if you are looking at silver/CuNi only. Do you think ESC has anything to add to Davies in the 20thC? I haven't been won over by the micro-stuff (yet), but always take a quick scan through Groom to make sure I'm not giving any micro-rarities away, as we all know there are collectors out there looking for them!

I've just got to tell you this, as it only ever happened to me twice! Two summers running in the late seventies, as an 11 year-old, I 'helped' the local farm staff by stacking the bales into sixes...the reward...and this honestly happened...I was allowed to sit beside the tractors at lunch break and share in, and this just sounds too twee, and you'll never see the likes of it again, but I shared in cheese, bread, pickled onions, and farm cider! Unbelievable, but true! It really was the done thing back then! Now they really WERE good old Somerset days!

On G6 I'm always pleased if I can find the horizontal flick of hair, just above the ear, coming to a nice sharp triangular ridge!

Hah, allow me to expand (it was my own attempt at a pun/humour)...Dr Crippen!

You'll have run into the same problems that a lot of people face trying to get G6 as well. And that is the major Auction houses don't bother with them accept in bulk lots (so you have to be there, really), and eBay is useless for such things because, forgetting the fact the images are never good enough to decipher an EF from an UNC (at best), the postage generally makes buying them at book price a prohibitive thing, unless you are going to buy a number of coins from the same ebayer (and good luck with that). The only way, is to buy a number of coins from the same dealer [to save on post], or attend a coin fair (and turn a blind eye to fuel costs). There's no easy answer, unfortunately, as it's not like say a Victorian coin, where a rubbish image on eBay can have you speculate a VF bid, whilst you're suspecting the coin might be VF and better. With E2 & G6, if an EF arrives, when you were hoping for an UNC, you've thrown your money away, as you will never be able to sell it on and get your money back. Here's where you've just got to have a dealer who's judgement in grading you 100% trust! Nothing else will do! I was lucky and picked up a date run in UNC. They are not easy to find in high grades because dealer haven't really caught on to E11 yet. I actually managed last week to upgrade my 1955 F to gap after looking for a year or two. I did take a quick scout around the forum dealers, and certainly noted a few UNC's for sale!

In which case, you're just going to have to get an old car battery and pioneer the experiment yourself, as the only way of seeing the acid test directly is by actually undertaking the study, the results/images of which will be valued on here for certain. For what it's worth, I believe the appearance of your coin is most definitely the result of Crippen Syndrome.

You'll have run into the same problems that a lot of people face trying to get G6 as well. And that is the major Auction houses don't bother with them accept in bulk lots (so you have to be there, really), and eBay is useless for such things because, forgetting the fact the images are never good enough to decipher an EF from an UNC (at best), the postage generally makes buying them at book price a prohibitive thing, unless you are going to buy a number of coins from the same ebayer (and good luck with that). The only way, is to buy a number of coins from the same dealer [to save on post], or attend a coin fair (and turn a blind eye to fuel costs). There's no easy answer, unfortunately, as it's not like say a Victorian coin, where a rubbish image on eBay can have you speculate a VF bid, whilst you're suspecting the coin might be VF and better. With E2 & G6, if an EF arrives, when you were hoping for an UNC, you've thrown your money away, as you will never be able to sell it on and get your money back. Here's where you've just got to have a dealer who's judgement in grading you 100% trust! Nothing else will do!

Really takes me back, that does! Hard to believe we would actually throw them at each other as kids!

Not without a link, thank you. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A-QUALITY-GEORGE-III-CARTWHEEL-1797-TWOPENCE-2d-HUGE-2-oz-COIN-/290892253787?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Amvy0IS812cJT3KC5UUZcvu%252Bz68%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc Was it you who won it? It's a nice mid-grade example - some wear, not too much, good rim. Worth the price it went for, I'd say. Only blemish is that 9 but that's not really bad. Yes I won it! Cheers I've always wanted a nice example, one of my favorite coins! Mine too (It's not that blotchy in-hand, but you know how scans are. And it's been enlarged double size in Photoshop which doesn't do it any favours either.) They are great coins, though I like the penny even better! Ironically, in view of the CGS debate, the nicest one I've ever had I got slabbed, and then felt somehow detached from it, so ultimately let it go! I don't currently have a nice example myself, more is the shame!