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The 1787 shilling and sixpence dies are probably some of the last to be hand punched as part of the engraving process (Gold and Maundy coins may also have been punched 1787-1803?). However using larger design fragments for each punch. I think even the letters were punched in groups of 3 or 4 but am not sure.

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Guess one has to be american to appreciate this

I'm not sure I follow it all. But I can think of no problem in refering to other numbering systems. I feel that the study of the material will reveal if a new system is needed or not. The problem is that if one is going to arrange several hundreds of dies one need some kind of system to start with. And that system will most likely turn out to be incomplete as you work your way through the material. When I made my present numbering system for the George III shilling counterfeits I had to renumber all my coins to fit the new system - and I can only hope it prove sufficient for future finds. Not much fun spending your days renaming thousands of scans etc. before you can continue working on the coins again

Didn't get around to this post untill now.... Design is typical for the 2 pound watch chain pendants. However these are normaly somewhat true to the design of the actual coin. This one I think is an advertising token and/or gaming counter. A quick search reveals a place called Lancelot Close in Birmingham - perhaps a connection?

Looks cast. Could be a contemporary counterfeit.

i didnt know that............why so? They are unconventional denominations and the series is not extensive enough to make an interesting collection. You are restricted to two basic obverses and reverse types in three denominations including the 9d patterns, all within a 6 year period. You could expand it with the varieties of the number of acorns and leaf positions as listed by Davis, but even allowing for all the proofs in the different metals, you only have about 3 dozen coins. A shame really because some of them are quite rare. Three dozen? That sounds bliss to me! If you include counterfeits there's at least another 60+ variations to collect

Will get the laptop out in the morning to access my pictures, I'm pretty sure the H8 groat's a duffer too, but will have to check! Mine was a pretty good copy, about the right thickness and also had a rose privy mark, just can't remember if it was muled or not? Exact match, the groat's a duffer too! All gone

dream on........ You never know, though, he hasn't got over 5000 good feedback like the Elizabeth pewter 3D seller, who eBay did NOT deal with, despite at least two separate reports! Well - obvious ebay won't react to a single report or two since they don't have the knowledge to judge what's true or not. However there's a possibility that they will react to a large number of reports. It would be interesting to see if anything happens if fx ten of us makes a report.

Another fake on ebay He also has a fake 1818 halfcrown and a few other doubtful products. He doesn't reply to questions. Perhaps if many of us report him ebay will react

Another modern 1822 crown fake. Looks poorly cast and have milled edge. 38.2 mm - 26.0 gr. While the Chinese (that I've seen) are smaller 37.4 mm, have plain edge and weights only 21.5 to 22.0 gr.

Looks ok to me - have tried to merge (50%) both pairs of pictures seperate and don't find much difference for single versus double exergue (below). However the 'high left' clearly makes a double 4 when merged with the normal example (above).

As far I can see this is due to optical conditions - light/shadow being a little different on the two coins.

Haven't had much time for coins lately - but two days ago I took the time to have a closer look at one of my newcomers to find that it matched the dies of the 1956 hoard of 63 BoE 1s6d tokens found at Foden Road, Birmingham. Half a mile from the famous forger William Booths farm! (BNJ 1958, pp. 423-24 pl. XXV). These have smaller lettering than other counterfeits of the 1s6d and closely resembles the size of the lettering on an genuine coin though the design is slightly different especially of A, G, K, R and S. It also have a tiny dot to the left above B of BANK on reverse. Completely by coincident it turns out that today is the 200th anniversary of Booth's execution (15th Aug 1812)

Interesting. The obverse is extremely close to the one I have - using same letter punches. The reverse however quite different.

Just got a second example Clearly made of brass and low weight of 13.0 gr whereas my example shown above weights 15.6 gr. (even 0.4 gr. more than a genuine coin) and looks more like copper. Would be interesting if I could find one without the die crack on reverse. But often this comes at a very early state and may perhaps be an impossible dream.

Did you have that in your watch list, or is that a bottle of Henry Weston's Vintage Cider in the post for me? In my watch list At least once a week I check ebay using these search words: contemporary,Counterfeit,forged,forgery,fake,evasive,evasion,imitation,nonregal,"non regal",copies,copy,replica,pattern,exonumia,tiffen,tiffin,george iii,george 3rd,georgius + all the years 1804-1820 etc. - It stirs up loads of crap plus a few interesting items Pah! I'd love a closer look at some good images when it turns up! Got it That's quite a structure, very pretty actually, I wonder if we can get it a Spink equivalent? Maybe even the Sharp reference as I'm thinking it could be a shilling! Isn't that the cross of a crown at the C In Charlie? That should limit the bust type straight away if it is! Weight 10.0 gr - 32.7 mm. = Spink 3321 Bought this one a few weeks ago - different dies however not the best example...

Did you have that in your watch list, or is that a bottle of Henry Weston's Vintage Cider in the post for me? In my watch list At least once a week I check ebay using these search words: contemporary,Counterfeit,forged,forgery,fake,evasive,evasion,imitation,nonregal,"non regal",copies,copy,replica,pattern,exonumia,tiffen,tiffin,george iii,george 3rd,georgius + all the years 1804-1820 etc. - It stirs up loads of crap plus a few interesting items Pah! I'd love a closer look at some good images when it turns up! Got it

I might have been able to ...but this must be a Spanish king George III and I have enough trouble with his Hanoverian namesake But perhaps you can tell me if this beauty once looked like a Charles II halfcrown - which is my best guess at the moment...

Did you have that in your watch list, or is that a bottle of Henry Weston's Vintage Cider in the post for me? In my watch list At least once a week I check ebay using these search words: contemporary,Counterfeit,forged,forgery,fake,evasive,evasion,imitation,nonregal,"non regal",copies,copy,replica,pattern,exonumia,tiffen,tiffin,george iii,george 3rd,georgius + all the years 1804-1820 etc. - It stirs up loads of crap plus a few interesting items

"HAPPY BIDDING!" he says at the end. It's now standing at the exorbitant total of £3.01 - I wouldn't be happy even at that price We still have pay phones down here? My God, we're living up to our country bumpkin caricature! Mind you, I can sympathise - my mobile is Orange and I couldn't get a signal anywhere in my home. Now they've teamed up with T Mobile, if I wait a minute or so, suddenly I get bars appear, then dial manically before they disappear. ...and I'm the happy winner

Yes, it appears to be a contemporary forgery which would interest Seuk - it just looks so wrong on so many counts, that it is unlikely to be a Chinese fake. I think I can see copper patches beginning to show through? I've sent the seller a message saying it's likely to be a forgery, and will be interested to see his reply. P.S. - do bear in mind that the 'kosher' example is slightly angled which would distort immediate comparisons; that doesn't affect my verdict that it is most probably a wrong 'un! Yes, its contemporary. I seen 8 examples of this exact die pair. Unfortunately none of mine are as good as this one but if he'll reduce the price with about £100 I'll probably buy it Here's my best example without silvering compared with the one on ebay (I have informed the seller)

I'm a bit confused - are you saying that a Georgian forgery has itself been faked in China and passed off as a genuine item? I'm assuming you haven't started collecting modern Chinese fakes! Its a standard fake of a genuine coin - All fakes of George III (silver) is of interest to me. Seems the model for the chinese fakes were a 1818 coin as both the 1819 and 1820 counterfeits are incorrect. Nope, I'm still confused! I don't know what you mean about '1819 and 1829 counterfeits are incorrect'? However, if you've extended your interest to Chinese fakes, then it's your business of course, but I'd advise caution... Well the thread is about the modern Chinese fakes and how to spot them. I don't find them very interesting in themselves (unlike contemporary counterfeits) but its a good idea to know what to look for when buying from ebay or other web sources. So far we have high quality 1818 fakes and low quality ditto plus 1819+1820 (Spink mentions 1817 as well but I've yet to see one). Looking at the bottom row examples of the Chinese fakes from the year 1818 to 1820 you will see that the figures 1 and 8 are basically of same design as on a genuine coin. (1 being a little thinner on 1819/20 + The 8 on the fake 1820 is a somewhat damaged). But on the fake 1819 halfcrown the 9 is simply a differnt design being more narrow than on a genuine coin (also the year are misplaced on the 1819 fake). Same with the 1820 halfcrown where both 2 and 0 are different from the genuine thing.

He's not actually selling it as original. In the heading it states Commems which would be commemorative i assume Yes - Perhaps he's the Australian branch of the London Mint Office...