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Hmm...not sure what to call the small dots in the garter - spikes perhaps? Anyway, was taking a closer look at some scans and discovered there was a dot on one of the 1816 sixpence's which was not supposed to be there...:

Yes - I've written him saying that this is likely a fake and asked if the reverse die is rotated.

Yes - I left it out since my gold copy don't have this error. None the less Seuk, it should be noted so others can see what they are looking for. Well I think at this point its more important to make clear which errors are on all of the counterfeits. My copies are obviously 2nd class and so may have more errors than the best copies. It would be fun though if there's a slowly degeneration taking place, one will however need a larger number of coins for study. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250889358366?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Yes - I left it out since my gold copy don't have this error.

Great - we can add a few details then. The chinese as far I know have made both high and low quality fakes from the same masters, so some of them may looks convincing when shown in an auction picture... On my two coins the first lion has part of tail missing and both have areas of weak or missing background lines.

Just got a second copy of the modern Chinese forgery with reverse turned a 180 degree. I'm not sure how much has been written about them - anyway even though my two coins are from different years (1818 and 1819) and one is golden and the other trying to look like silver they seems to have a number of 'repeating depressions' which I've tried to mark on the following scan. Most prominent are on obverse: an extra bead over E in DEI on Reverse: dot in cross of crown + two notchs over PE of PENSE

Oh posted in the wrong thread - should have been in: Coin aquisition of the week

Just got 30+ George III counterfeits

Got two 1814 1s 6d both from the same dies as yours ... The later Bank Tokens are less common than 1811. For the 1s 6d I only have two 1812 (1st+2nd bust) and no other dates except for the two copies of 1814. And for the 3s; 1812 (2nd bust) and 1815 are fairly common. But I've only seen one copy each of 1813+1814 and no 1812 (1st bust).

According to: http://www.worldofmoney.birminghamblackhistory.com/story.html the William Booth counterfeits of the 1811 bank tokens were counterfeited in the late 19th century this time for collectors! Anyone who can confirm this? I have round twenty 1811-counterfeits mostly of the 3 shilling which all looks like normal period fakes ... except perhaps for one: This counterfeit has uncommonly large lettering but could still be a 'genuine' period counterfeit unless someone can prove otherwise? Also does anyone know excactly which type of coins were counterfeited by Booth? Andrew Wager list the 1s 6d, 3s. and the 1804 crown (The Mystery of Henry Morgan, Barkham's Press 2007)

Thanks! Think I understand it better now

Just bought a lot of contemporay counterfeits for my George III collection. In it were also a number of later fakes and then this 1974 one penny descriped as: "1974 Penny, split in half giving the appearance of a brockage." Now the flan is very thin 0.69-0.76 mm (rim 0.86-1.19 mm), but the raised rim and ghost impression on reverse seems to indicate that it's not simply a split coin? Also the raised rim on obverse is high and sharp on the lower half of the coin. Any ideas?

http://www.museumreproductions.co.uk/ have many different 'coins' for sale - Can't remember if I've seen this particular coin on ebay before but I've seen a few others - some even with the R mark clearly visible. Does anyone know of other reproduction companies? (Westair) It would be great if somewhere one could view the entire output of these reproduction as I guess their products change over the years. There are of course also the chinese fakes. But it's seems to me that few British coins have been produced at least compared to other countries: http://www.jinghuashei.com/html/category/class_459.html

In this case there will be a tracking code which is what paypal asks for if the item is not received. I've never had a paypal case going beyond that point so I don't know what actually happens when fx an item is fake. My guess is that the buyer would have to return it and provide a tracking code to prove it?

His auction description reads: No returns accepted -Anyone who knows how easy it is to have a paypal payment refunded, if you report an item as fake after receiving it? He didn't post this one: Q: This coin is a reproduction! See: http://www.museumreproductions.co.uk/images/no354.jpg - same dies and flan which is impossible for a hammered coin. Best regards, Peter - seuk880 A: well maybe so i wouldnt no myself one has just sold for 40 pound identical to this one - 09riverwearvalley

Here's another one I've seen a few times...: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Silver-Anglo-Saxon-Coin-/120740469523?pt=UK_Coins_BritishHammered_RL&hash=item1c1cb15b13 And here's were you can buy it at £1.60 http://www.museumreproductions.co.uk/images/no354.jpg As far I know all these 'museumreproductions' are marked with a large R, however it can easily be removed.

This varity is not descriped in the study by Manville and Gaspar (BNJ vol. 74 2004) but is reported on both the with and without hearts main types of the 1787 shilling. I have a shilling with a dot close to the top of the 8 (no hearts) however it could be anything unless someone can comfirm that it's the same die as the varity... Would be nice if anyone could provide pictures of this varity

It's not uncommon with missing or tiny stops due to metal fillings (die block). But are you saying that you have a shilling with stop between ET like this Sixpence? I have 30 different reverse dies of the shilling, none of these have a stop between ET

It's very close but looks slighly different than my 'first' obverse

Guess it needs a few years work on prices & pictures

No sure if I know your website... Could you send me a link?

Perhaps I'll be the first then For a similar shilling-size silver coin minted in Germany - I've seen a figure of abuth 44,000 for each die and 66,000 for a coin about the same size as the six pence. But if the dies were not properly hardened the production figures would drop considerably (fx half of the above). So my guess is either that's just what happened; or the production figures were higher than my sources indicate. A History of Modern English Coinage (by James Mackay - Longman 1984) "In 1787, when the market price of silver dropped substantially, some £87,000 worth was coined for general circulation, mainly in shillings and sixpences." [guess the figure includes guineas?] The Splendid Shilling (by James O'Donald Mays - New Forest Leaves 1982) "In 1787 the price of silver declined slightly and the Bank of England ordered £55,280 in new coins from the Mint" ...and just found this which includes the sixpence figure http://www.numsoc.net/sixpence.html "The silver coinage of 1787 was ordered, not by the Government for general circulation, but by the Bank of England for distribution at Christmas to its favoured customers. As the price of the silver required was consistently above the Mint price of 5/2d an ounce, the coins were struck at a loss, which the Bank accepted. £55,280 worth of silver at the mint price was turned into 746,480 shillings and 712,380 sixpences at a loss of more than £1,100. Each coin was struck carefully to the highest standards achievable with the manually powered presses of the time."

Just got a much better copy with the second obverse die

Was just taking a closer look at my two 1819 six pence coins... and guess what: I found a 3rd one But mine is however different! My coin has a low 2nd 1 in 1819 - so at least two dies must have been made from the same master perhaps more?