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No sure if I know your website... Could you send me a link?

Perhaps I'll be the first then For a similar shilling-size silver coin minted in Germany - I've seen a figure of abuth 44,000 for each die and 66,000 for a coin about the same size as the six pence. But if the dies were not properly hardened the production figures would drop considerably (fx half of the above). So my guess is either that's just what happened; or the production figures were higher than my sources indicate. A History of Modern English Coinage (by James Mackay - Longman 1984) "In 1787, when the market price of silver dropped substantially, some £87,000 worth was coined for general circulation, mainly in shillings and sixpences." [guess the figure includes guineas?] The Splendid Shilling (by James O'Donald Mays - New Forest Leaves 1982) "In 1787 the price of silver declined slightly and the Bank of England ordered £55,280 in new coins from the Mint" ...and just found this which includes the sixpence figure http://www.numsoc.net/sixpence.html "The silver coinage of 1787 was ordered, not by the Government for general circulation, but by the Bank of England for distribution at Christmas to its favoured customers. As the price of the silver required was consistently above the Mint price of 5/2d an ounce, the coins were struck at a loss, which the Bank accepted. £55,280 worth of silver at the mint price was turned into 746,480 shillings and 712,380 sixpences at a loss of more than £1,100. Each coin was struck carefully to the highest standards achievable with the manually powered presses of the time."

Just got a much better copy with the second obverse die

Was just taking a closer look at my two 1819 six pence coins... and guess what: I found a 3rd one But mine is however different! My coin has a low 2nd 1 in 1819 - so at least two dies must have been made from the same master perhaps more?

So we should all look out for a "narrow 3" 1903, representing the damaged normal 3 before the recut! David Hope not guess (if any correction was done) that it was done before the dies were hardened and any coins struck.

As far I can see (from the scans) the 190 plus the teeth (perls) appears to be in the same possition. But the 3s are punched individualy and not in the same place. Now I'm not saying that it is the same 3 punch - but it's possible that it's the same as the back part looks identical.

I've mentioned this earlier on the coinsgbforum - not sure how much unrecorded it is as I don't have much litterature... As one can see the stop between ET is clear while the one between TE is weak. I found it with two different obverses and it seems fairly common

Well I don't see them as being very different - but as I mentioned I'm not familiar with these coins. The 190 of both 1903 types seems however to be exactly in the same possition (different from the 1902 year): Also the back of the 3 fits more or less (it's a bit difficult to be sure as all I have is the pictures posted above):

You only have to look at the shape of the 2 in a 1902 penny to see the 3/2 theory is total oblox! I'll post some high res pictures later nuff sed! David I mostly work with 18th century coins but to me it looks as a wreak strike of the 3 punch corrected by hand. The same punch may come out quite differently due to the angle of the strike and later engraving.

Hello - I'm a danish collector and new to this forum... I'm mostly into collecting contemporary counterfeits of George III silver coins but also try to find as many different dies of the 1787 shilling+six pence as possible. I would like to know if anything has been published on the die variations of these coins? Also; is 746,480 the correct production number for the shilling? - and what is the number for the six pence? So far I have for the shilling: 21 different of both reverse and obverse dies. For the Six Pence I've found 13 obverse and 12 reverse dies. And it seems that there are quite a few more to be found of both denominations. If anyone can provide scans (1200 dpi) of these coins I would be very happy to receive them for study. If so please mail them to seuk@mail.dk - when I've more material I'll publish it on my homepage. Were I've allready published a small study of the Danish 1 skilling 1771 cobber coin: http://www.steppeulvene.com/index.1771_skilling.html (in Danish)