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The seller has just changed his description! It did have a 'buy it now' price of £1,000. I wonder if the message I sent him prompted the change?

Now here's a bargain. "A 1913 George v penny box not included." For £1,000 what do you expect, a box to put it in?

On some Obverse 6 coins the flaw is almost impossible to detect, so even with minor wear it may not be visible. Here are a couple of examples:

I'm guessing that virtually all the George coins which found their way to Australia were currency. The previous thread was about proofs & patterns which, I imagine, rarely made it across the ocean. A good tip on where to find them in listings, though! An EF+ 1827 would be a nice find.

You're right Peter, though the letters aren't quite as imperfect as they look in the photos. It's partly due to reflection of the light. I'm cheating slightly as my obverse 6 shown is actually from an 1861 proof (Freeman 37). It's not perfect but very nice in hand.

That's an obverse 6. There are several differences, but the most obvious is the arrangement of leaves at the front of the wreath. Obverse 6: Obverse 2 (apologies for the coin & photo quality):

A Quick Google search shows that the Nationsl Archive contains information about your father's company, including orders for commemorative medals in the late 60's. You probably know this though.

What are you inferring about the Tibetenese, Peter?

Judging by the flairs, it could be 1970's?

Yes, Heritage have a few coming up!

Somewhere on here, there's a thread discussing why the 1805 coins aren't in Spink. Of course, strictly, they're patterns but Spink does list other similar coins, not least of which would be the unique 1808! Anyway, I think the 1805's are lovely to own. Prices for the pennies would be £600-£1,000, depending on condition. I'm not sure about the halfpenny. I'm struggling to get a good photo through the slab (there are no streaks on the coin itself!), but it really is a beautiful coin:

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I'll try it after you…

I'm sure cataloguing these coins can be a nightmare and I've probably already made mistakes. The plan is to acquire a few more in time, as nothing beats comparison in-hand. 1797-1807 proof/pattern pennies are firmly on my wants list then!

Looking at my 1797-1807 pennies, where I know the material from a process of die pair elimination, it does seem that the bronzed coins are consistent in colour. That doesn't mean they are all the same colour, just that the coloration is even, whereas the copper coins have a more patchy coloration. It's not easy to tell them apart though!

I have No.56, part 3 (which includes one of my coins). Do parts 1 & 2 include pennies?

Hi Guys, I have seen this coin in the hand, the small mark on the rim between R and E of REX is actually a ding that does not show as such in the picture. And the scuffs in front of the kings face are more pronounced in the hand. Thank you! I'll give this one a miss I think. It's certain not a bargain which is why it probably didn't sell in the auction. Another R56 will no doubt appear one day.

So we agree on R56. Thanks Rob, I'm gaining more confidence with these G3 pennies!

Still thinking, but not sure. There appears to be slight scuffing but it's hard to tell without seeing it in hand. My main interest is in identifying the different dies and the only way to do this properly is probably owning examples! Anyone else care to have a go die identification? I was once told of a collector who only collects 1797 coins (!!), but I don't have contact details.

Thanks, Dave. I've just found a photo of a Peck 1148 attribution on the London Coins (prices realised) site, sold in September 2013 for £600. So the price is about right, but I'm not 100% convinced its from the same dies now. Please send me the link though, if you're definitely not interested. What do others think (Rob)?

Without really big pics, or the coin in hand, it's very difficult to tie it down to a die pairing and Peck number. Let's try anyway…. It's certainly a Type 4 obverse and Type C reverse. From what I can see, the obverse shows 10 leaves in the wreath and appears to have the double-cut upper berry, so that means KP14, 15 or R56 The reverse just isn't clear enough to decide directly but, looking at known die pairings and the fact that the ship isn't weak, it would have to be either KP15 or R56. As KP 15 only has one incuse dot on the rock, and I'm sure I can see three, that leaves R56 as the only option. To support this being a re-strike, I'm sure I can see the results of a slightly rusted die. If I'm right, that makes it a Peck 1148, in Copper. If you don't want to buy it and the price is reasonable, I'm interested

A collector…. it's out there. I concur. I could do with an image of the reverse, given it isn't illustrated in Peck. I'll see what I can do.

Copper and bronze or copper and bronzed? There is a huge difference. Sorry, I meant 'bronzed'! Line up half a dozen of each and you will probably find 4 definite coppers, 4 definite bronzeds and 4 definite maybes. Rule of thumb is that bronzed pieces will have a very consistent tone which is much smoother than coppers. The colour can also be useful in determining which is which. In the case of restrikes, Taylor used a particular colour of bronzing which makes life a lot easier. Soho bronzing is darker. I think I've pretty much got the bronzed v. copper sorted by doing just that, and comparing them with known metals (including 1805 and 1807). Now I have a few gaps to fill, though as many collectors don't seem to bother I hope to find the rarer die pairings at the 'standard' proof prices.

A collector…. it's out there.

Copper and bronze or copper and bronzed? There is a huge difference. Sorry, I meant 'bronzed'!