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I've never dealt with Spink, but I have Baldwins. They are fine to buy from, but to sell, or auction is another matter. I offered them a whole box (about 85 coins) for auction (one of the coins in the $15,000 range, and excessivly rare), and they showed little interest. They said they deal in only the rarer, high value coins! Business must be good! LOL!

It is a nice coin, but does have a light "x" scratch across the lower throat on the obverse!

Thanks Guys! This is the best dinner of the year! Bring on the oyster dressing...

I'll definitely share all photos when I've received confirmation from Noble. In the meantime, I did put in a 'lowball' proxy-bid for this 1837 penny, which I appear to have won. If so, it'll be a nice surprise! It's not perfect, but certainly at the comfortable end of EF: 1837.jpg Accumulator...that is a beautiful Penny. Good find!

I don't see how this is a jab at anyone specifically -- but I do see how a paranoid person could convince himself thereof. Brandon...can't you see that you are becoming a distraction to an otherwise great British Numismatic Forum. As the new guy on the block, please try to lower the intensity level somewhat. I am sure you have somthing to contribute. As for contributors saying something about the "American" or the "Yanks", leave it alone. America can take care of itself without our help, at least as far a numismatics is concerned. BTW...welcome aboard!

Minisodah - ya, eh, I heard o' the place: That was a great show, and it sounds like you have the accent down pat! Ha,Ha!

Agreed. I agree also. Dave adds a lot of insight and color to the Forum. The guy from Minnesota seems to be a trouble insighter! BTW...I am also from America!

He was probaly one of those guys "who couldn't wait to get to work".......

Thi ´s is very true, our difference is that we're not being told by large multinational companies that slabbing is the only way to achieve coin greatness. America is driven by Marketing companies who tell you that you must blah blah blah or else and the poor souls buy into it so much so that they swap/sell a coin for a Point more on a slab, what is 1 Point exacvtly, could you Point it out on the two same coins side by side? In the UK, we buy coins becaise of the history of them, who has owned them before us etc, this is my Points and absolutely NOTHING to do with American bashing as according to the poster. There are several American collectors on here who have'nt bought into the TPG mentality, those are true collectors in my opinion, those are the People who want to collect for the history and not for the Dollar, so forgive me Vicky and Bob if it has come across like that, and my aploogies to the rest of the Forum. I'm a passionate collector as you all know. *********************************************** No apology needed Azda...I'm with you!

Despite being of 'rainbow hue', I get the feeling that that coin is naturally toned. I actually like it, as the toning has clearly spread evenly inwards from the edge, which indicates storage conditions to me. A "better price from dipping" is sadly probably true, such is the prevalent ignorance of buyers and the dearth of good old-fashioned dealer advice and education. Worry not, there will be no "dipping" of this coin anytime soon. I like it just the way it is, and I don't really care if it might achieve a better price if dipped. Dipping ruins coins. By definition, it removes surface metal and luster. No thanks! Lightly dipping a toned coin, only removes the corrosion, not metal...the corrosion itself (toning) is what removes the metal.... Heavily dipping (or cleaning) a coin is another matter. I only use the term "dipping" to refer to exposure to an acid solution. No matter how "gentle" or how short an amount of time, the acid solution removes some metal microscopically, particularly at the peaks of the metal flow lines. These peaks are what we see outwardly as luster, and thus dipping actually dampens luster. I have never, and never will "dip" a coin in an acidic solution. That being said, I'm sure I own a few coins that have been dipped in the past -- I just don't want to try my clumsy luck. The only "treatment" I have performed on silver coins is to remove PVC with acetone, with a subsequent rinse in distilled water. And your point is?....just kidding... to each his own!

Despite being of 'rainbow hue', I get the feeling that that coin is naturally toned. I actually like it, as the toning has clearly spread evenly inwards from the edge, which indicates storage conditions to me. A "better price from dipping" is sadly probably true, such is the prevalent ignorance of buyers and the dearth of good old-fashioned dealer advice and education. Worry not, there will be no "dipping" of this coin anytime soon. I like it just the way it is, and I don't really care if it might achieve a better price if dipped. Dipping ruins coins. By definition, it removes surface metal and luster. No thanks! Lightly dipping a toned coin, only removes the corrosion, not metal...the corrosion itself (toning) is what removes the metal.... Heavily dipping (or cleaning) a coin is another matter.

I usually don't like toning, but that is a beautiful coin. With that said, the coin would probably bring a better price with a quick dip to remove the color, and restore the coin's natural silver sheen.

Setting a low estimate strictley favors the auction house. First it lowers what the real estimate is, so it will stimuate bidding, because once bidding starts, it is more likely to continue, and secondly, the auction house usually only allows a "reserve price by the owner, of 60-70% of the low estimate. This, low estimate, and low reserve makes the coin easier to sell, and also keeps owners from placing a unrealistic reserve price on the coin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUe3JOj9gzQ My contribution...Robert Palmer, David Sanborn, and Stevie Ray Vaughn.......

I am assuming it is not Chingford then?

John is a member of the Forum.....

Bernie, Do you know the value of the last know (or any known) sale of the 4 + C? Bob Crawford

Macksilky, Here are a couple more examples of the 1861, 1 over 1 Penny. It seems there are a lot of variables of this variety!

Thanks David...

1922 Trident "Dot"

David here is the 1922 Trident "Dot" Penny. I think it is a BP1922A also but not sure. Close up of trident will follow.

Nice list David, Thanks for sharing!

Thanks Steve, interesting stuff!

Accumulator, It seems like they all start out in my collection, but where they end up is another matter! Ha,Ha. I don't know at this time, but I like having it. You are right...it is not a M.E.

The Obverse...