Peckris

Oh. It's just that at the other forum - which as I say, uses EXACTLY the same hosting software as this - you just type :wallbash: and it appears. I can't for the life of me understand why it doesn't work here too. I suspect the emoticons are configurable and admins will be able to modify the list of those available. Ah. That makes sense. There's a separate tear-off window of them at the other forum giving a huge choice, though the list of about 20 or so that appears when you click the above button is roughly the same.

and I know you all like this How did you get :wallbash: to appear for you Peter? I typed the correct code, as cribbed from another forum which uses the same software as ours. It's just an animated gif that Peter linked to from the coin community forum. Oh. It's just that at the other forum - which as I say, uses EXACTLY the same hosting software as this - you just type :wallbash: and it appears. I can't for the life of me understand why it doesn't work here too.

FWIW I think the edge and rim (from what I can see) are certainly good enough to be a proof, so are the teeth. That doesn't mean it actually is one, you understand, just that as far as I can see it COULD be one.

Each side of my 1826 halfpenny:

Other than because it is anti-money (groan). :wallbash: and I know you all like this How did you get :wallbash: to appear for you Peter? I typed the correct code, as cribbed from another forum which uses the same software as ours.

"Live free or die". Despite 'The Terror', you can't argue with that.

Other than because it is anti-money (groan). :wallbash:

"Reverse" :

Three tokens. "Obverse" :

Interestingly, the Ipswich token is one I do have, though it is just a shade less good than the one illustrated. That was my first exposure to the name Conder, so for quite a while when I read about Conder tokens, I used to think they were talking about "Ipswich tokens payable at Conder's"! So he is the same Conder who wrote the book, then? That I didn't know. Yessir, that's James Conder, one and the same. He wrote one of the first books indexing the provincial tokens (Pye and Birchall wrote earlier works, but they were less exhaustive and Conder's 1798 work surpassed their works in popularity). Fascinating - he wrote 'the book' while copper tokens were still at the height of popularity. I wonder how he reacted to the first regal issue of halfpennies for over 20 years appearing only the following year? Once the twopence and penny were issued in 1797, the writing was on the wall I believe. Interestingly, the provincial tokens circulated heavily and new designs were struck even through 1801 or so. The introduction of "for collectors only" tokens increased from about 1793 onward -- and Conder himself joined in on that. Some proprietors would issue very limited runs of tokens and then sell them for premiums to other collectors. That's why there are so many immaculately preserved examples of many of these coppers today. They sat in coin cabinets for years! Don't forget the renewed token 'splurge' in the early 19thC, when the Great Recoinage of 1816 failed to deal with copper coins (possibly assuming that 1797-1806 was enough, or because they were just too busy with gold and silver issues). I'm thinking - for example - of the very common Cornish penny of around 1815. Indeed, you are correct. My area of interest and where I know the most is limited to the 1787 to around 1801 era, which encompasses almost all of the tokens indexed by Dalton & Hamer in their reference. Those from the early 19th Century are indexed elsewhere...and their production was stopped almost overnight in 1817 when they were made illegal to produce by act of parliament. Odd though, isn't it, that it was to be nearly 10 years before halfpennies and pennies began to be minted again? And let's face it, the copper issues of 1797, 1799, and 1806-7, were a bit of a hodge podge taken as a whole.

Sadly I neglected both my sixpence tray and token tray, when I did my bulk scans a few years ago. I will have to remedy the token omission to post here, but I'm afraid I have to declare right here that most are not in the condition yours are. Anyway, be patient - I WILL get around to it

Interestingly, the Ipswich token is one I do have, though it is just a shade less good than the one illustrated. That was my first exposure to the name Conder, so for quite a while when I read about Conder tokens, I used to think they were talking about "Ipswich tokens payable at Conder's"! So he is the same Conder who wrote the book, then? That I didn't know. Yessir, that's James Conder, one and the same. He wrote one of the first books indexing the provincial tokens (Pye and Birchall wrote earlier works, but they were less exhaustive and Conder's 1798 work surpassed their works in popularity). Fascinating - he wrote 'the book' while copper tokens were still at the height of popularity. I wonder how he reacted to the first regal issue of halfpennies for over 20 years appearing only the following year? Once the twopence and penny were issued in 1797, the writing was on the wall I believe. Interestingly, the provincial tokens circulated heavily and new designs were struck even through 1801 or so. The introduction of "for collectors only" tokens increased from about 1793 onward -- and Conder himself joined in on that. Some proprietors would issue very limited runs of tokens and then sell them for premiums to other collectors. That's why there are so many immaculately preserved examples of many of these coppers today. They sat in coin cabinets for years! Don't forget the renewed token 'splurge' in the early 19thC, when the Great Recoinage of 1816 failed to deal with copper coins (possibly assuming that 1797-1806 was enough, or because they were just too busy with gold and silver issues). I'm thinking - for example - of the very common Cornish penny of around 1815.

Interestingly, the Ipswich token is one I do have, though it is just a shade less good than the one illustrated. That was my first exposure to the name Conder, so for quite a while when I read about Conder tokens, I used to think they were talking about "Ipswich tokens payable at Conder's"! So he is the same Conder who wrote the book, then? That I didn't know. Yessir, that's James Conder, one and the same. He wrote one of the first books indexing the provincial tokens (Pye and Birchall wrote earlier works, but they were less exhaustive and Conder's 1798 work surpassed their works in popularity). Fascinating - he wrote 'the book' while copper tokens were still at the height of popularity. I wonder how he reacted to the first regal issue of halfpennies for over 20 years appearing only the following year?

Yees indeed. James I 'Harrington' type, and several of Charles I (Richmond, Maltravers, ROSA, etc) - I'm talking farthings here.

I think that's the crux of it - until I read this topic, I didn't know the wren WASN'T our smallest bird!

Interestingly, the Ipswich token is one I do have, though it is just a shade less good than the one illustrated. That was my first exposure to the name Conder, so for quite a while when I read about Conder tokens, I used to think they were talking about "Ipswich tokens payable at Conder's"! So he is the same Conder who wrote the book, then? That I didn't know.

I quite agree. You can buy a USB caddy for around £10 - £15, or even less if you shop around. Then you can just plug it in and transfer all the stuff you need.

Absolutely beautiful - no wonder you supplied the picture of it to illustrate the Wikipedia article on Conder tokens: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conder_token

I'm a fellow Scouser, I only remember sparrows and pigeons when I was a kid in Bootle, plenty of sport for the jigger rabbits Last time I was in Crosby (2010?) there were pigeons a-plenty, but not so many sparrows now! The wren has often been thought our smallest bird so maybe that was what they thought in 1937?

The wren was first used on the farthings of Edward VIII (1937) but these were never issued due to the Abdication. However, the design was kept for all farthings from then on, the first time Britannia had not been used since 1672. The smallest British bird for the smallest British denomination, would be the reason. As for the + in the obverse legend, that had been used many times on medieval coins, so I'm guessing that it has a Christian symbolism? Not absolutely sure though.

If you prefer here than photobucket (which I hate), there is a Pinned topic in the Beginners Area which explains how to resize. I even downloaded Picasa lol, especially for you PC owners, to demonstrate how in a series of pictures.

And that's an awfully nice token you have there.

lol, he want's ONE example from each reign! Goodness knows how you would choose just ONE Lizzie to collect Stuart! Easy peasy - a Rank-Broadly silver Britannia from the late 90s or early noughties should do it.

LOL - the first time I ever went to a nightclub I was underage and pissed. Every time after that, we'd gone decimal; I couldn't even score a 1967.

Ok, got Englands striking history and Coincraft 2000 What other forums do you recommend? Im planning to get a Henry VII coin first to start my series. Will do my research and ask for opinion. Sly, mean, suspicious, underhanded, paranoid... are you sure you don't want to start somewhere else? I will check those Forums out Peck, must admit I had never heard of them before now! You could start with Mary and work backwards and forwards, she was quite sweet ... Yeah, if you leave the tomato juice out