VickySilver

Uggh, let me try this detail blowup again...

So, any last guesses? Hint: its a specimen and grade number higher than guessed so far....Will try for closeup later today. I too have a proof infuse edge tho not sure if .500 or .925. I've been wondering about cracking it out and what to do, the verd almost looks as though a particle is in the slab and then began the spots.

OK, here is a CGS verd for you! Guess the grade?? Wait till you see the two comparos I promised, and then decide which specimen is "best for grade" - will post separately hopefully tomorrow on those...

Right or wrong: marketability.

I need to get these examples posted (the three specimen 1935s) and if Jr. lets me this evening will give it a shot....OK, enough punning.

jaggy, I would keep them unslabbedif its just for your consumption - you know what you have and aren't trying to sell so what would be the point? This comes from someone who is more or less middle of the road about slabs. You trust yourself and not some of the hamfisted dealers that perhaps you have seen...

I second that ....Something you learn over time and with the scarcer bits can actually follow particular coins over time....Almost like old friends. I still think I would vote for the 1924 nickel shilling in both possible iterations as being just a bit more common than the 1923 variant...

A bit of an anecdote, but for interest sake several years ago I got an example of each of the TPGs "work" of a particular issue: the 1935 specimen crown in NGC65, PCGS65 and CGS85. I'm going to challenge my skills if people are still interested by the weekend and picture them. Won't give away which I prefer so maybe a poll??

Lovely bit added in about spectrum colours and thickness of tone. I wonder what MEASURED proof he has of this? Why would not coins stored in the lovely climes of Britannia ever show toning or even originate from tropical hothouses with outrageous humidity like Brazil or Congo, or?? I think the colour adding brings 10x or more greater gain.

I wonder what the true rarity of those are as I had two of the '24s and a single '23 - may have shifted one of the '24s though. Supposedly some were struck on the 5.0 gm modulus with others 5.7 and never weighed mine - all in the name of good (bad) science...

Yea, not much in the latest London Coin Auction. Another security point is to not have any coin related items, magazines, shipping material, etc. with YOUR address/name in the rubbish if at all possible. Gary, not to pry but do you have the 1929 VIP proofs or the 1945 or 1946s (save the 3d and 6d & know of one 1946E shilling) which is evidently somewhat available)? Mattes of 1950? The 1923 Nickel 3d would be a stopper but one was making the rounds 2 0r three years ago; the 1923 Nickel shilling less available than the 1924 but less than the 1927. MODEL patterns? PM me if you'd like but I have been trying to figure out if some of the first ones listed are even in private hands. The 1930 VIP record proof 2/6 is evidently represented by one in private hands....

Just for fun, it is claimed that the toning on Morgan Dollar coins in the Redfield Collection was caused by exposure of the bags to COYOTE URINE! Also, it was stated and I have never seen it before that some of the toning is as a result of sulfurous rat poison being thrown on the bags of Morgans whilst they resided in the vaults for so many years....

Ouch, that is some price. A shame that the oxidation has set in on the obverse on the face. It has a most curious appearance - are we sure that it is not plated? Almost acting like it as though corrosion eruption from underneath. A crown with both sides as opposed to the model would be worth a good deal more I would imagine, but have not seen the MODEL obverse of the crown. IMO, unless the right buyer there and still too rich for my blood I think the price should be 25-30k. Colin Adams 2/6 collection had the model obverse E8 halfcrown that went for about 5k by recall.

Well, I think this is a problem that has many angles to it. "Greattoning" on ebay sells enormous quantities of toned goodies, The colours on the Battle Creek Morgans is something to see with neon pinks, greens, yellows, etc.- take a look at these if you have the chance. I have read some scientific papers embarrasingly beyond my comprehension mainly related to the microchemistry and interfaces of semi-conductor chips, and also charged ion electrodeposition - I wonder if they may be employed in generating some of these wonders??

Wow, wish they could look at my coins on such a generous day. I do see some greenish ugly - wonder if this was adressable with acetone?? Anyway, they are not always as generous and have had similar come back in the AU55 range...

At least to my view the lot descriptions have not been finalized. Not a lot on offer for me anyway...

Beautiful proof! I agree, their price is way too high and would not be supported IMO at auction in USA or major London auctions at this juncture. Now, an 1869 or 1871 proof penny would be much worse. LOL!

Yes, virtually unlimited although the benefits start to tail off. I tend to soak a high nap white cotton towel and tamp the surfaces....Pictures (dare I ask with my poor skills)?

That's good work. I 'm going to try for better pictures off my Canon as well but for now a working stiff. Looking bad so far...

Which is a point well made. However, toning that is neon green, yellow, pink, etc. is WAY beyond the normal spectrum (pun intended). You really need to see some of these. Try a google search of the "Battle Creek" morgan dollars...

OK, still not a great picture but maybe shows the area below the date better? I do not see spots like the two little areas I see on the photo on the coin...

And Rob, your point is so well made as not only are there labelling issues (not just with this farthing but the 1848 3d which the cataloguer correctly points out is likely Maundy-sourced), but also psychologic differences that can be played. For example in the last Heritage sale there were some "hyper graded" 6d and 1/- coins that were very nice but lost in the mix were the [quite few] rarities that were just not quite as highly graded & how I got that '89 small head shilling for what I thought was a very reasonable price. Ultimately, another version of what we see in auctions in England; if you are knowledgeable and lucky to some extent, bargains are still to be had.

They are having a bit of a battle on the PCGS US Coins forum on this at the moment. It appears the gallant attempt to crack into this crap is being vigorously attacked by staunch defenders of this outrageous "Coin Doctoring" and toning effort - well that is IMO.

Yes, do apologise for being such a dolt. I have I-phone and Mac so hadn't pasted on them before. Have to put some bonus pictures in as well if I can manage. Thanks, Michael.

First is a Model/Play piece loosely modelled on the sovereign. Negliigible value.