VickySilver

Yea, not much in the latest London Coin Auction. Another security point is to not have any coin related items, magazines, shipping material, etc. with YOUR address/name in the rubbish if at all possible. Gary, not to pry but do you have the 1929 VIP proofs or the 1945 or 1946s (save the 3d and 6d & know of one 1946E shilling) which is evidently somewhat available)? Mattes of 1950? The 1923 Nickel 3d would be a stopper but one was making the rounds 2 0r three years ago; the 1923 Nickel shilling less available than the 1924 but less than the 1927. MODEL patterns? PM me if you'd like but I have been trying to figure out if some of the first ones listed are even in private hands. The 1930 VIP record proof 2/6 is evidently represented by one in private hands....

Just for fun, it is claimed that the toning on Morgan Dollar coins in the Redfield Collection was caused by exposure of the bags to COYOTE URINE! Also, it was stated and I have never seen it before that some of the toning is as a result of sulfurous rat poison being thrown on the bags of Morgans whilst they resided in the vaults for so many years....

Ouch, that is some price. A shame that the oxidation has set in on the obverse on the face. It has a most curious appearance - are we sure that it is not plated? Almost acting like it as though corrosion eruption from underneath. A crown with both sides as opposed to the model would be worth a good deal more I would imagine, but have not seen the MODEL obverse of the crown. IMO, unless the right buyer there and still too rich for my blood I think the price should be 25-30k. Colin Adams 2/6 collection had the model obverse E8 halfcrown that went for about 5k by recall.

Well, I think this is a problem that has many angles to it. "Greattoning" on ebay sells enormous quantities of toned goodies, The colours on the Battle Creek Morgans is something to see with neon pinks, greens, yellows, etc.- take a look at these if you have the chance. I have read some scientific papers embarrasingly beyond my comprehension mainly related to the microchemistry and interfaces of semi-conductor chips, and also charged ion electrodeposition - I wonder if they may be employed in generating some of these wonders??

Wow, wish they could look at my coins on such a generous day. I do see some greenish ugly - wonder if this was adressable with acetone?? Anyway, they are not always as generous and have had similar come back in the AU55 range...

At least to my view the lot descriptions have not been finalized. Not a lot on offer for me anyway...

Beautiful proof! I agree, their price is way too high and would not be supported IMO at auction in USA or major London auctions at this juncture. Now, an 1869 or 1871 proof penny would be much worse. LOL!

Yes, virtually unlimited although the benefits start to tail off. I tend to soak a high nap white cotton towel and tamp the surfaces....Pictures (dare I ask with my poor skills)?

That's good work. I 'm going to try for better pictures off my Canon as well but for now a working stiff. Looking bad so far...

Which is a point well made. However, toning that is neon green, yellow, pink, etc. is WAY beyond the normal spectrum (pun intended). You really need to see some of these. Try a google search of the "Battle Creek" morgan dollars...

OK, still not a great picture but maybe shows the area below the date better? I do not see spots like the two little areas I see on the photo on the coin...

And Rob, your point is so well made as not only are there labelling issues (not just with this farthing but the 1848 3d which the cataloguer correctly points out is likely Maundy-sourced), but also psychologic differences that can be played. For example in the last Heritage sale there were some "hyper graded" 6d and 1/- coins that were very nice but lost in the mix were the [quite few] rarities that were just not quite as highly graded & how I got that '89 small head shilling for what I thought was a very reasonable price. Ultimately, another version of what we see in auctions in England; if you are knowledgeable and lucky to some extent, bargains are still to be had.

They are having a bit of a battle on the PCGS US Coins forum on this at the moment. It appears the gallant attempt to crack into this crap is being vigorously attacked by staunch defenders of this outrageous "Coin Doctoring" and toning effort - well that is IMO.

Yes, do apologise for being such a dolt. I have I-phone and Mac so hadn't pasted on them before. Have to put some bonus pictures in as well if I can manage. Thanks, Michael.

First is a Model/Play piece loosely modelled on the sovereign. Negliigible value.

More pictures coming I promise. I think this may prove to be an interesting coin - it actually has some prooflike surfaces on the field that need to be captured.

OK, this is a reverse of a Jubilee 6d, dated 1893 - awful photo.

NO scuffing, I need a better picture. Paulus, yours is the simplest.... OK this is an out of focus obverse of the 1903 2/6.

OK, fellas, I used the "Debbie Does Dallas" YouTube method

Yes I see that in the picture that does not appear in the specimen. I will try to get some other pictures this week as at least I can do that even though not a posting master. LOL!!

I tried the "Control" plus the "v" both at the same time and in sequence but nothing happened. When I tried the IMG thing, nothing seemed to happen so not sure what bit I left out. Think I'm getting a mental block so try it again. I will go back to step to step this week just to try to get this. Thanks for the patience of all.

Yes it's PCGS65RB Truly best I've seen and IMO undergraded as we all like to say about our own.

Please check the "Test" posting on this forum. I do need constructive help with attribution of the 1882 which even under 30+ magnification shows no sign of an H or one taken off. Funky alloy in the flan but generally better preserved than many.

My thoughts are that even if this is not the exact procedure, it brings to the point of feasible that such type of thing is possible. I had pointed out some time ago, and to no avail on the PCGS boards that coins with these appearances did not seem IMO to appear until the last 12 to 15 years. Also, I do have some chemical background and the appearance of this "neon" toning is just not like normal oxidation. I am wondering if there is a way to layer other metal oxides on to the surface of silver coins in particular. I asked a couple of the champions of these coins to submit them to spectroscopic and this was all poo-pooed.... It might just be my sensation, but I get the feeling that the market for this type of thing may [hopefully] be panning out...

Can I send the photobucket to an email to someone? Wow, that is a lazy thing to say...