VickySilver

Must be me, but I can't find its sale. 2800 over the top IMO and 2k should have been fair. My recall was that it was NOT an exceptional coin. I am a bit suspicious of photos from LCA and if spending that much money am of a mind to have seen the specimen in hand or at least had a representative to do so. This is a scarcer date not doubt, but somehow see it up for sale more frequently at auction in "top grades" more often than we should.

Goodness, they are what they are. We are not going to necessarily know intent, especially of the Royal Mint!

OK, Rob probably knows the specifics but at some point there was a citation to the effect that a short run of pennies was required and some (59-60,000???) were struck with only a few - however many that was - getting out.

I always think of the bottom loop of the "3" as being hammered or beaten down flat ( ie open).

And the 1860/59 did circulate as evidenced by the condition of many extant specimens, many poorly struck and circulated even after the change to smaller modulus and less intrinsically valuable bronze bun head pennies.

Me too Maybe another set or two also

And I have an older SNC circular with one for sale....

Hi JCC, Even though my concentration is late British Milled silver and copper (Vicky! throughGeorge 5) , I came to like the pursuit of these later Jamaica proof sets as well as some other Caribbean bits....Matte Jamaica gold from 1975-77 in 100D. denomination is prohibitively rare and interesting stories to boot. I actually got a 1999 from BOJ in about September of last year. I lucked up on the 1997 from a Canadian who had gotten it from a friend's wife after the friend had died. Do you have this date or the single crown with the Manatee design? The 1998 I got along with the '91 and '96 from a dealer in Jamaica that had gotten a run of sets. No trace of the 2002 that is listed in Krause even unto the detail of the Krause numbers of the coins in the set. Interestingly, according to them the crown in that set commemorates (!?) the World Junior Track and Field Championships. Yikes! A very interesting question that neither BOJ (despite my pleading and persistence) nor the Royal Mint have answered is that if the authorized mintage for the proof sets dated 1988-2001, then why are some dates much more common? Were there fewer actually issued of some dates like '96-'99 like I believe, or are there a bunch of sets lying around in some vault? I know that Cayman Islands and Barbados used the RM for sets during these years and had authorized mintages that were above and beyond the eventual "final mintages", or how many were actually made. PS - No 1986 sets made. PM me if you would like answers in private, or if you have some...

I would not give that VIP set that much credit as far as penny rarity - just when might the next one (or two) show up? Not quite fair comparing to the Legendary 1933 date. I was a bit surprised that the 1922 penny outperformed the 1864 crosslet..

No jousting for me either (again)....

What did the '05 half crown go for? Or the 1864 penny?

I concur with the nice pick up. However [iMO], an overstamped legend letter is not in the same category as an outright date rarity though. The other thing is that I can quite imagine additional specimens turning up if only more '51s were scrutinized, and likely not so with the 1860 copper. Somehow I don't see an owner of an 1860 swapping for a "D over sideways D".

And as a corollary I think this goes to show a rather thin market for at least later milled bits....

Ah, George Morgan a Brit brought over to America....Also, I do recall some pictures of desirable women for the time and them being rather of the Rubens roundness...LOL

Want to know a bad method for breaking slabs? Pair of pliers to either end and twist against each other! Shards of hard plastic explode everywhere, and the coin is [usually] still stuck in the midst of the centerpiece. Kids, DO NOT TRY THIS! I can't imagine anybody doing this...LOL.

Double the opinion - this is the appearance of an acid dipped coin.

Yes, Peck. Actually it may be a bit of turning of the tide? That poster "Seattle Slammer" was just rather bad & essentially calling dissenters ignorant...

OK, I know it's not British coins, but here is a taste of the continuing toning madness and delusion in the States: If you could have a shot at just one of these Monster Morgan Dollars ... which would you pick and why? Pages: 1 2 Last I hope to God this is a finite madness...

The edges and denticles look rude enough for a business strike, the device (Brit) quite hard to tell with wear & the datals look currency. I confess to having looked at the image on iPhone. On laptop it looks currency, although of course always nice to have a mint or near mint state specimen to look at. Is that one for sale?

Thanks for the images. Hmm, to my eyes, the first appears proof despite the edges - too much cameo contrast and device detail & not what at least I have seen in early currency proof-like strikes of other dates. Coincraft 2000 states, and I agree that there minor obv. detail [and IMO reverse as well] differences; Davies no commentary. Plain edges should exclude currency and are possibly scarcer but I would NOT make that blanket assumption as that is only theoretical . It is possible as has been suggested that these were not all struck in one run, and several obv and rev. dies may have been used. "B" looks like the best candidate (and I would buy it if only for reference) for currency, but any wear makes it a tough call. "C" has just too much wear to make a call IMO, and "D" looks to be not as nice a proof IMO as "A".

I quite agree that with the full pictures that all three groats appear as proofs. I am somewhat dubious of the practice of using edges and periphery to judge a coin as proof. Even though "great care" is supposedly taken with proofs, I think some may come off a bit sloppy with regards to planchet prep, and even die prep and maintenance, not to mention strike. IMO, one must keep an open mind and try to weigh as many attributes of a coin as possible before making pronouncements such as this. I have "cherry picked" some proofs before that were sold as currency, and a few the opposite - currency specimens that were clearly not proof. It is sometimes a tough call as others may possibly agree.

Yes, the latter two are def. proof, but I think the first ?may? be proof as well - the edge of the shield on the first is also a bit uneven with some wear to Brit's toes to boot (ha ha pun)... Still think in balance it may be a proof - can you provide a picture(s) of the rest of the first coin?

Reselling items you have bought from them previously if of sufficient value will go sans commission. Also, they are DEFINATELY business oriented and if you have marquee coins or a high value collection, they may waive fees in the entirety. Of course, they hit the buyers pretty hard.LOL>

Uhh, I do have one. Pictures are another matter. Mine is very convincing, to say the least. Gotten off ebay @ ~35 quid about 3 years ago...

Interestingly, there are circumstances that Heritage do NOT charge seller's commission at all...