Bronze & Copper Collector

Neat -- where did you 'find' it? In my collection.... I don't have the others, although I might have pics of them.... I'll check

LOL.... First time one of MY auctions was noted here.... But I suppose it's better than being recognized in "EBAY LAUGHS" It IS a TERRIBLY LOW GRADE specimen, with just barely enough detail at the CRUCIAL points to be identified as an obverse signature type, but NOT good enough to determine whether it is an Obverse 2 or an Obverse 3..... I've sold WORSE condition RARE coins often enough to know that there is a market for everything.... You just don't know when or where or who.... RE: the 1863 slender 3, the specimen that recently sold is the 2nd known specimen, I believe purchased by the same buyer that won the 1863 die number 5, a unique (so far) coin. The Crocker collection seemed to bring more of a true market value for MOST coins..... SOMETIMES, bidders get carried away with their bidding in what sometimes appears to be an exhibition of MACHO..... Sometimes it's merely to have a coin from a famous collection or with a significant provenance

Here's something to whet your appetite... at least you'll have a picture....

Here's mine for comparison.....

Satin refers to the reference number in a book by John Jerrams.. "The Early British Bronze "Bun" Pennies 1860 to 1865 (Inclusive) And Their Varieties" Satin Reference - Compiled and Produced by John Jerrams

I have 3 different editions.... 1999, 2001, & 2003... the most recent...... Occasionally, one will appear on Ebay....

Reverse

Here is my specimen... I sold my old specimen which was in worse condition (damaged planchet) than the Crocker specimen for about what the current bid plus premium is right now. Obverse....

Definitely no earlier than Obverse 6 - notice that the head is the usual bun penny distance from the linear circle; on the first 5 Freeman obverses, it sits much lower from it (one of the defining characteristics of 1860 pennies for example). The 1860 dated F-17 is a die pairing of 6 & D, so the obverse 6 DOES appear on 1860 dated coins.... The 1861 varieties paired with obverse 6 are reverse D (F-29), reverse F ( F-32) , and reverse G (F-33)

Looks like an F-33 Obverse 6 Reverse G

It is my understanding, (assuming that my information is correct), that this is actually a SECOND known specimen, the original specimen that Freeman notes in his book being in a collection for many years....

I currently have one of each .....

Nice coin you have there Gary. Interesting that with both our coins the reverse is a lot weaker than the observe. Thanks....

and the reverse...

Here's mine....

Many Thanks to ALL for your kind wishes....... Gary

A few weeks ago on ebay, I sold a lower grade specimen for $949 (US) (A duplicate from my collection) see link.... Link to ebay listing of F-38 sold for $949 maybe Chris can use it to establish values in varying condition for this variety

I have this Partial Brockage GB penny up for auction this week.... Essentially the same type of error as the 1917 US penny that you linked to........ Partial Brockage GB Penny on Ebay......

I would tend to agree with Dave's assessment...

Here is ANOTHER mis-attributed Bronze slab.... I only WISH it WERE what it says on the label....

I'd like 2 copies please..... Shipped to USA

I've have the 2/1 PENNY, but I never heard of a 2/1 HALF-penny....

Not sure, but as you say, there is a definite slant on the "2". Apart from "Die letter A, B or C to left of lighthouse", classed as extremely rare, there are no variants of the 1862 halfpenny listed (that I can see anyway). It may be just a one off error. Interesting. Don't forget the newly discovered A to the RIGHT of the Lighthouse

Here is a link to Michael Gouby's page on his website with information regarding the 1909 pennies... Link to Michael Gouby's information page on the 1909 pennies Please ALWAYS acknowledge source material. especially on the web, as people work hard to maintain it and they deserve the credit.......

The F-169 (1909) IS listed in the 1970 edition of Freeman... The F-164A (1908) is NOT listed in the 1970 edition of Freeman.... As a point of interest the 1922 F-192A is NOT listed in the 1970 edition of Freeman either....