Bronze & Copper Collector

WOT? ROFL = Rolling on Floor Laughing

penny's for sale ...... Post cost as follows ( Please read carefully ) UK £1.50 + 50p per extra penny Europe £150.00 +£75.00 per extra penny Rest of world £600 + £300 per extra penny 100 new penny's available have fun. A few points to clarify here. Penny should have an upper case P as it's a proper noun. The cost of shipping Penny around the UK is remarkably cheap. The costs to Europe of the rest of the world is roughly the cost of one bum on one seat in a plane. Presumably Penny is a normal person, though I suspect with a 100 examples of her available it might be construed as people trafficking (or an advert for a brothel) ROFL!!!!!

Here's a good one.... Talk about excessive shipping rates... ebay item # 330509932583 At least it's "signed for" for your protection.....

I concur.....

No colon dots after F:D. Peck 1623a, Gouby 1860 Type T. Took me ages to realise though. And for completion Satin 19, Not listed by Freeman Gouby has it at R9 4 known (now 5!) Fair £100, Fine £250, VF £600, EF £1000+ David Population count not accurate... I have 2, sold a 3rd, this will be a 4th.... Plus a few others in various collections..... Probably at least 10.....

If you bid 25 Euros it did not get through as I bid €22 and the next bid was €253!!!! Mein Gott! For three distinctly sub-average buns? Read again... RARE VARIETY

It was a member of this forum........and I know who I got outbid as well but not suprisingly! Forgot you guys looked on the german ebay too! I confess... 'Twas I .... so much for hiding the bidders ID... LOL!!! I sold an inferior specimen for $195 a few months ago.... This specimen will replace an example that I currently have.... I will know for sure once it arrives......

Some very nice coins there.... With a nice response and decent prices realized...

Never seen nor heard of that dot on trident 1922 before David Here's my 1922 Dot....

Looks like a reverse G, obverse 6 - Freeman 33

What Badger is referring to, is that in the early years of the bronze coinage, you can actually see SLIGHT differences in the actual die itself... not die varieties or changes in design, but SLIGHT physical differences within the same die type..... mostly inconsequential to the average collector, but sometimes invaluable for tracing die usage between certain years... Primarily 1860 and 1861, and when the coins were actually struck... I believe Paul Holland wrote an article regarding this matter.... (Paul, if you read this, please chime in and correct me or expand upon this)

According to Satin, there are 2 die pairings for the F-38.... I have had both, but just saved the better specimen for my collection....

Probably is genuine, as I know the previous owner of the coin did make foil impressions of the 1933 and other coins, both for himself and some other collectors... Key word is probably.... Provenance should be confirmed to establish authenticity......

Not 100% sure, but it looks like a Freeman obverse 1* (can't really tell if it is a Gouby A or B obverse) with a Freeman B reverse

Contact information is on his home page... Michael Gouby Coins Home page (() Telephone National: 020 7727 1518 International: +4420 7727 1518 Email: michael@michael-coins.co.uk His email address: michael@michael-coins.co.uk

Be aware however, that there have been MANY new discoveries since Freeman was published, and they are not included in the catalog.... This applies to ALL denominations.... The Michael Gouby work has taken the penny varieties to a new level.... His standard reference covers from 1860-1970, the new specialized edition just covers the Victorian years of bronze pennies from 1860-1901... Link to Michael Gouby's Book page He also has the Freeman Reprint for sale on the same page......

Spink reprinted essentially reprinted the 1986 edition in 2006 with some updates by Michael Gouby.... their price is £35.00 .... Link to Spink page with description of book

Hard to tell, but this looks more like an Obverse 4, LCWYON UNDER the bust, Obverse 2 is on the base of the bust, Obverse 3 partly on partly under the base of the bust....

another image with the LC WYON underlined

I'm not at home right now to try to get a better image for you, but using your image and cropping and enlarging it, I will try to show you the LC WYON under Victoria's bust .... First image is Hi-Lighted, second image is just enlarged....

F-10 The signature is clear enough for this variety

Sloppiness????? In the May Spink Circular, they had an 1860 F-14 described correctly as "LCW below foot", but mis-attributed as Obverse 2 & Reverse D.... It was sold for the listed priced of £40......

Just as a point of information..... In the June 2006 DNW sale of the Laurie Bamford collection, lot 113, the 1882 no H, F-112 in about fine, sold for £820 PLUS Buyers fee.... In the same auction, lot 99, the 1877 F-90, in only FAIR condition, realized £3100 PLUS Buyers fee

If I understand what you are saying.. is that you are agreeing that the 1877 F-90 is a distinct variety from the 1877 F-91... As they have 2 different reverses... One has the thinner lighthouse, the other the thicker lighthouse.... Incidental to the fact that the lighthouse is thinner is the fact that on this reverse variety the datal numerals are more closely spaced...... In Gouby's NEW SPECIALIZED book, he lists a few datal spacings on the variety with the thicker lighthouse and the wider spaced date.... Regarding Michael Gouby's quote from the website... "Some collectors have started collecting or recording variations in date widths. I do not consider the great majority of these variations as being of significant importance or rarity above the norm. Some, like the 1889 narrow date, do eventually achieve a rarity status and command a premium over the norm. Only time will tell which of the others do ! I shall list and scan some of the variations that pass through my hands." I believe he is referring to variations of datal width amongst a SPECIFIC reverse design. The commonly used nomenclature describing the differences as "WIDE" or "NARROW" dates is a simplistic means of describing the most obvious difference between the 2 basic types... In actuality, there is only one datal spacing noted in Gouby's SPECIALIZED book for the 1877 F-90 (narrow date - Thin Lighthouse), whereas there are (I don't have the book with me, so this is from memory) 3 datal spacings noted for the 1877 F-91 (Wide date - Thick Lighthouse).. Without wanting to speak for anyone, I interpret his disclaimer regarding date spacings as WITHIN a SPECIFIC DESIGN, and not broadly spread amongst ALL varieties of a date.... Without wanting to complicate things with the dates in the 1870's and later, and just using 1861 for example.... No one can deny that there are several different Obverse and Reverse die DESIGNS in use for that year. And they command a premium based upon specific rarity based upon the various combinations of the dies involved.... Any premium upon the date spacing on a SPECIFIC die combination is ARBITRARY and based upon COLLECTOR INTEREST & DEMAND.... And I believe this is what he was referencing in his preface comment on his website.

Interesting that Gouby doesn't actually seem to have an otherwise very high regard for variant date spacings. Gouby & date spacings Agreed, regarding variations within a specific die.... but not when the die itself is different...