Bronze & Copper Collector

My little experience leads me to believe that that determination would depend upon who is submitting the coin.

Possibly a modern commemorative??? LOL!!

Situation seems to have been resolved. I don't know if I fixed it by poking around, or if it was a browser issue that was resolved. In either case it seems to be working. Thanks all.

For some reason I was logged out of the forum and had to sign in again. I wasvable to sign in again after changing my password, but the members only forum and the predecimal forum are not showing. I'm using Firefox for Android. Any ideas? Thanks, Gary

Just a guess, but possibly an Irish Evasion copper

I would tend to agree. I have only owned 5 or 6 half penny overdates, but at least 3 dozen (probably more) penny overdates. There are also many more offerings of the penny overrated as opposed to the half penny overdate.

Interesting that there is a similar dot to the right of the date, but I also think I see dots to the left of the O in ONE, after the E in ONE, above Brittania's helmut plume, and under the E in PENNY. It could be the image or, if the dots are truly there, then possibly corrosion on the die.

I believe that to be fairly accurate, based on my recollection from when I was trying to locate examples for my collection.

Yes: Aa, Ab, Ba, and Bb

It is actually 2 different obverses and 2 different reverses. The reverse being a difference in spacing.

Sounds like something Wily Coyote would do

From Wikipedia

If memory is not playing tricks on me, I believe that that sort of mis-strike was called a "railroad rim". At least in the USA. Now, the TPGs define it as "struck out of collar", which is a more accurate description anyway. If it is struck sufficiently out of the collar to have part of the design missing, then it would be classified as an "off center strike".

Unfortunately, this dissemination of information can, and probably will, be a double edged sword. The producer (counterfeiter if applicable) can very easily learn his flaws and eliminate them in the future. Richard, what you are providing to to the collecting community is invaluable, yet, due to the knowledge being shared, we now have to be more vigilant. The never ending cycle of good against evil. As good as the top TPG's are (or at least claim to be), there are documented instances of them being fooled too. We now have to contend with both genuine & counterfeit coins placed in counterfeit holders. We also have had instances of genuine holders being opened and resealed with lower grade coins replacing the original. Unfortunately, there will always be someone uninformed who will be taken in by these coins or some who thinks the price is "too good to be true", not realizing that it truly is. Again Richard, thank you for your website, it is most informative and should if possible, when no longer being added to, be published somehow in reference form. Possibly in disk form structured as a website.

For reference images, I have one listed on ebay. Item # 325970397598 Although I assume Richard's is better and more detailed.

If I had penny for everything I saw that done, I'd have several pounds....

It also exists with obverse 3, which is rarer than obverse 2. As you indicate, this is the extremely common obverse 6

and the 9th (1982) edition (softcover).

Can an administrator move this post to "more pennies", as a follow-up to the question re the Bressett guide. Thank you. These are scans of the pertinent pages from the 8th (1975) edition (hardcover), and the 9th (1982) edition (softcover).

Hmmm I was able to upload an image here.

I've been trying to post 2 scans of pertinent pages in the more pennies and am getting the following error message. I get this error even if I just try to post text.

The US has started that last year.... Vastly changed the reporting parameters.

A little bit of knowledge can be very dangerous.

All the Best to my fellow forum members for the New Year. Good Health and Happiness. Happy Collecting.

It WOULD be a disaster as he would have been caught cheating with excess tiles.