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Hi Bernie, I tend to concur with you, both for the reason you stated and the fact that I think I can see double incuse lines on one of the leaves, which would indicate obverse 6 as oppose to obverse 4. Of course, as you state it is very difficult to determine from worn specimens, if at all especially from an image. I'll upload images of my 6 & F for comparison.

Never blame your fingers, The buttons are too small..

Are their guide books to help properly attribute your "COUNS" so that you can catalog them accordingly?? Such as what exists for coins... How do you grade a "COUN"?

All of the above: The YOLK is on us....

I don't think he was all he was cracked up to be....

On both of the previous overstrikes the underlying P is clear, albeit on the F-282, being more worn, it is less obvious. I did have one or two dubious F/P's which were clearly flattened serifs upon closer examination. If I find them again or images, I'll post them for comparison.

The F over P from my F-282 (7 & g)

The F over P from my F-277 (6 & g)

Much scarcer than the 6 & g HALP penny.

A lovely specimen

I think that this is the link. Link to Thread with Images

I've found the A to the RIGHT of the lighthouse to be the scarcest followed by the B. Die letter A appears to me to the most common in either of the letter positions to the LEFT of the lighthouse. Die letter C follows with same observation regarding either of its two letter positions. Die letter B is next scarcest followed the die letter A to right of the lighthouse. Years ago I had posted images of these in the forum. Can't seem to find them now. Probably using incorrect search parameters.

That works as well. It's a matter if personal preference. Some collectors like to view the coin through the flip, others prefer the envelopes with which the argument that it "protects the enclosed coin from light" could be made as well. So long as there is NO ACID NOR PVC it is better for the coin, ESPECIALLY PROOFS!!

2nd specimen, not as good, but is a HAIF penny without the end of the leg of the L showing.

For comparison 2 different obverse 2 HAIF pennies. First specimen is an earlier die state with the end of the leg of the L showing (ie: HAI.F)

If using flips, you need the stiffer PVC FREE type. More subject to cracking, but safer for the coin

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Lovely example. F-69????

A Brief History (and Explanation) of the Coin Grading Scale When you were going to school and received a grade of 70, that was barely passing. But when a coin receives a grade of 70 from PCGS, NGC, etc. that means it is absolutely perfect. How come? We have Dr. William Herbert Sheldon, Jr. (1898 - 1977) to blame for that. In 1948, Dr. Sheldon published “Early American Cents” which contained a novel numerical equivalency system for grades, upon which one could supposedly determine the monetary worth of the coins. In developing his system, Dr. Sheldon was attempting to find multipliers of a base value for each grade, with a coin in “Poor” condition assigned a base value of “1.” Thus a coin in Fair condition was assigned a multiplying value of 2, and was therefore thought to be worth twice the value of a coin in Poor condition. Similarly, Sheldon decided that a Fine coin was worth 12 times the value of a Poor example, and so on up to a perfect Mint State specimen, which Sheldon decided was worth 70 times the value of the same coin in Poor quality. So, actually, the Sheldon numbers were not meant to define the quality of coins—but rather to indicate the dollar-value in various grades. Using the original Sheldon system, if a particular year and variety of a Large Cent had a retail value of $50 in Poor quality, it should be worth $600 in Fine or $3,500 in perfect MS-70. Above from Coin World: A Brief History (and Explanation) of the Coin Grading Scale also interesting: Sheldon coin grading scale - Wikipedia

Essentially it is a matter of speaking 2 different languages with identical words with similar yet different meanings. You must know how to translate from one to the other. Not much different from the English language used on either side of the pond. And let us not get into the degradation of the language itself.