Bronze & Copper Collector

Correct, neither upper or lower curve of the 3 would be considered to be open..

IMHO, Absolutely correct. NOT an open 3

From the posted images I would concur with your identification and assessment.

You're correct Pete, inasmuch as it was the N in ONE... Reverse D both uprights point to teeth Reverse E the uprights point to a gap Unfortunately, as I indicated in my original post, if the border is so worn that the position of the 1 cannot be determined, the same problem will probably exist regarding the uprights of the N.

Unless I am misremembering, I vaguely recall reading something about an alternative method of identifying an F-169. Regretfully I do not have any way of determining my original source of that information. I believe that it might have had something to do with the position of one of the N's in PENNY. Unfortunately, in many instances, if the date was too worn to determine the position of the 1, the same situation existed for the lettering in PENNY. As I stated in the beginning, I might be merely misremembering, simply incorrect, or just delusional...

Possibly...

Just uploaded obverse and reverse images

Obverse

Reverse

Thank you for your feedback.... That was my opinion too... Too low grade to be sure, however looking more like a G than a C.. and Unable to rule the possibility out.. For the moment it will fill the box, at least until I can find an affordable definite specimen...

Is it wishful thinking on my part or does the C in VICTORIA look like a G?? Your opinions humbly requested... Thank you (1862 penny)

The bottom line is, however it is served, it is good for what "ALES" you.........

Message sent on ebay.... Am unable to bid....

Experts are those that help substantiate your opinions or claims.... Otherwise they don't know what they are talking about....

For those that remember Groucho and his show 'You Bet Your Life', where if you said the secret word you got $100 ($50 each contestant). Let us not forget the contestant who tried to collect the bonus by saying "THE SECRET WORD". I don't know if they ever collected the $100 or even if the segment ever aired, but it does make for interesting conversation and is somewhat apropos...

This is an intriguing thread, which makes me want to bring up two issues. 1) My personal pet peeve is regarding those that say “I COULD care less”. I have always said “I COULDN’T care less” inasmuch as it, to me, is more logical. If you could care less, then it has at least some modicum of importance to you. If you couldn’t care less, then it is of the absolute least possible importance to you. Yet, for some reason, both are used interchangeably, and accepted as meaning the same thing. 2) Being neither a student nor scholar in either languages in general or specifically in Latin, I would ask whether the fact that the various Latin words in question are used in a sentence written in English would have any bearing on the issue. Would the Latin words that have entered the English language be subject to the rules of Latin Grammar or the rules of English grammar, or would a combination of correct Latin grammar and common English usage be the ultimate determinant of acceptable use? Would this be considered to be within the guidelines for the accepted evolution of a language?

Indeed.... And reinforces the difficulty of working from images...

MEA CULPA, NOTHING ELIMINATES IT.. Upon further close examination, I'll recant my opinion and state that I now consider and believe YOUR original assessment of it being an obverse 2 to be the correct one. It only serves to reinforce my belief that NOTHING substitutes for DIRECT EXAMINATION OF THE COIN IN HAND!!!

From the image, I don't think it is a 2, 3, 5, or 7.... (1 is automatically eliminated inasmuch as the coin does not have a beaded border..) Leaving either 4 or 6. If you don't think it's a 4, then it is most likely an obverse 6. Again, nothing substitutes for direct examination....

My personal assessment and attributions are to categorize them as F-274a variants. Inasmuch as the F-274a is considered to actually be a 6 over higher 6, unlike the F-282a which is clearly a 6 over 8, I consider all the various incarnations of 6 over 6 to be F-274a variants. Again, these are only my thoughts and how I have classified them in my collection..

If I did this correctly, it should link to different variants of the F-274a that I posted a while back... http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/3664-coin-aquisition-of-the-week/?page=30&tab=comments#comment-39212

Can't tell for sure, but I am leaning towards an Obverse 4 or 6.....

Obverse 5

That's essentially the NORTH & SOUTH of it....

Apparently you are POLES apart....