Gary

Nice coin. Looks like its stood up against a piece of card. I use a tripod to look down on the coin, a lot easier but a little tricky for lighting.

and now the picture with the right Date!

Just for comparision, 1911 Penny Hollow Neck Flat Neck BRITT, I to Tooth I to Gap FID, I to Gap I to Tooth DEF:, : to Tooth : to Gap GRA, R to Tooth R to Gap plus the hollow neck

The Adams coin was ex BDW 8 lot 388 where described as thought the only known example - a statement that usually brings out a few more. The coin sold for £900 hammer and was graded EF. I don't know if that was the same coin referred to by Gary as VF, but if so Adams 602 is certainly better than that and looks EF in the catalogue. Another example in EF passed through Spink in a private sale (Nov. 2001) for considerably more, but the Adams coin is probably a fairer assessment of value as it was an open competitive sale which the other wasn't. I've a vague recollection of seeing another lower grade coin, but don't have any records as I don't follow them, having no great interest. Mintage you've no chance with as yearly figures are the closest you will get, if available at all. Individual die mintages are only ever going to be available for trials, patterns or proofs and even then you will be struggling. Yep, thats the one I was on about, Adams spld by Spinks. Hammered 1819 over 8 halfcrowns? Make an offer for the coin in the opening post on this thread - fits the criteria at 7 & 12 o'clock. ... Or should this be in a different thread? :D laugh, I nearly fell off my chair........

Thanks for the time and effort. I am inclined to agree with your conclusions, water damage. Have since seen a similar coin on ebay dated 1863 which seems to have suffered in the same way. the seller is selling as a thin date! 1863 different

:D nice one Chris...

Ok, that sound good. Having looked around a bit I can find no upto date values for this coin. The only reference that I have found is the Coincraft s standard catalogue from 2000 which gives values of £50 in Fine or £100 in Very Fine condition. Other references only state that it is extremly rare. Usually what this means, is that not enough coins come up for sale to be able to allocate a value. I think it safe to say that the value is that which a collector is willing to pay for it at the time of its sale. Not much help, I know but thats the way it is with these rare coins. Get two or more people who really want it bidding against each other and who knows what it will fetch! I'm surprised that no one else has commented on this thread yet, I'm sure that other members have a better knowledge of halfcrowns than me!

Got my first lot, no probs, thanks. Hmmmm, still waiting for the second lot though! Wonder where they are?

Nice pic, very clear overdate. My first impession was that the coin is a fake, just a gut feeling based on the colour. What the provenance and can you weigh it? As to mintage that is difficult to say, figures for 1819 are 4 790 016 but that is only a total for halfcrowns minted in 1819 and at that time it was not uncommen to use dies from the previous year so halfcrowns dated 1818 could have been minted in 1819. An 1819 over 8 was sold in 2005 (Spinks) for £900 in VF (very fine) condition. Yours I would grade F (Fine) at the most.

I have a bag of 1919H pennies and I decided to have a good look at them. I have come up with this coin which curious. The legend is chamfered and not square and sharp as on a normal penny. Have a look at the pics, not very easy to capture but I think you will see the difference. The coin is quite worn and has a mottled surface, maybe due to exposure to water. I at first thought a forgery but the size and weight is bang on, 9.2 gramms. Opinions?

Welcome to the Forum Cartwheel, we are all pretty friendly here

It's not that much better than VF! Perhaps between VF and EF at most. I'd rate it a £250 - £300 coin. agree with Peckris on this one, GVF at a push NEF..... certainly not AU

sixpence has a diameter of 19mm and the shilling 23.5mm

Look at that, Amazon know something the publishers dont :lol:

I'm with chris on that one

Use it all the time. Easy, available 24/7 and have had no problems with it. Saves running to the bank everytime I want to transfer funds. All I need is the account number and sorting code for the recipiant. If the person I want to pay is the same bank as me then I find the money is transfered almost straight away. I second Peckris, a pure alphabetic password should not be used. Here are a few figures from a recent computer magazine article, using brute force method, ie using a computer to go through every conceivable combination, a six number password can be cracked in 9.7 sec a six letter (lower case) password 50 mins a six character, numbers and letters 53 hours a six character, numbers, letters, symbols (®, Œ, «,›, Æ, ¿) 2 years using smybols in passwords is a pain when typing but as you can see is the hardest to crack. Another thing that I see all to often is people use that same password for all sites and they tend to use something thats easy to remember like birth dates etc, because its easy. I have cracked my mother in laws email, just for fun of course, because she used the name of her dog as a password, or my brother who uses the name of his wife, big no no. Dont do it! Use a different password and user name for every site that you have to log into and use a complicated password. Write it down if you have to but store it away from your computer. Bit of a rant there, sorry, but maybe got you thinking......

Judging from the pictures, which are not that good, this coin is very well preserved. There is an 1887 Proof shilling from the proof set but that was struck in silver. However there are examples of Proof Victorian pennies struck in gold so why not shillings! I cant find anything in my literature that mentions gold shillings though. I seem to remember that Rob is the shilling man, perhaps he's the one to contact. One other point, maybe its the glass itself that is giving the gold appearence it seems to have a darkish tint. Is it possible to remove the coin and weigh it, would help a lot in determining wether its silver or not. Be carefull!

And your reply to this Scott in coin aquisition of the week was "the close 96 is the most common, but still a nice 1896" yet now in CCGB its something else? So a new opinion now because of CCGB? I thought as the subject of date spacing has been brought up I would dig out an old thread from ages ago concerning date spacings on vic bronze pennies and other varieties. Might be of interest to to you and others azda. Date spacings

never had that before! could'nt get in for about half an hour! Back up and running now though.......All other sites were working, so it was not my system....

Seems Ebay has crashed. Cant get onto any ebay site Uk USA Germany India LOL.... Any one else notice? 21:58 16/12/10

It was a member of this forum........and I know who I got outbid as well but not suprisingly! Forgot you guys looked on the german ebay too! I know as well, as I have on a couple of other recent buns, but we'll keep our own counsel!!! Have lost many a coin to our fellow forum member. I am suprised that there are any 1860/61 pennies and halfpennies left out there at the rate our friend takes them out of circulation