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With a response like that i have just messaged him also. Hope he gives me a nasty reply as not in the best of moods this morning to start off with He should of just taken it down instead of trying to steal money from someone ..............

Sealed plastic from 1839? Better rewrite the science history books.

Did you see what he wrote further down lmao. Now I can only guess who it was aimed at lol. Short version" I am not saying it is a coin" (means he knows it's not)" I don't know what it is"(you know it's fake )" And for all you nasty's out there who have messaged me" (I guess that's you guys lols). Then further down his sales pops up an Elizabeth I HalfGroat in Detailed description with mintmark association etc. So begs the question he can recognise Elizabeth I Halfgroat but has no idea what an Elizabeth I Penny looks like Well I assume it is . Wouldn't of been to his own advantage to just say contemporary and not make himself look like a total sleeze bag and have to write ridiculous statements of intent. Another troll with 100% FB rating. I wish some watchdog body would swoop on that place.

Unfortunately, from my own experience, trading standards and action fraud, look at whether you have suffered a detriment as the result of the act. so you'd have to have purchased something from these dealers, and then prove you have suffered a financial loss. Now looking at these ebay sales, if they state that they don't know what it is, and you buy what you see etc, then that's exactly what you've bought, an unknown item at a cost you agreed to pay. If they describe the item as genuine, and you buy it believing it is as so, then you have a case, if it's not worth what you bought it for. It is still difficult to prove fraud on it, and you'll be pointed to the dispute process where you can get your money back (if you can prove it). As posters on here have highlighted, these people are smart and don't make any claims to authenticity - it's morally wrong... buyer beware

Further to my last, I googled "trading standards internet" and one of the results produced: http://www.tradingstandardsecrime.org.uk/report-fraud/ So perhaps where we observe a persistent offender (such as the 'Kew Peddler") a report to these guys might just give him a well-deserved fright!

I have to say, I've come across the odd capsule my sausage-fingers couldn't get to grips with. Doesn't mean they're old. I bet his is superglued though, just for added plausible deniability.

Does anyone know whether there is a regulatory body that oversees fraud on the internet, or indeed conduct of internet "giants" such as eBay? With all the present furore on internet security and safety of vulnerable kids and people surely something might extend to the area we are concerned with? This is an aspect of internet "security" since innocents (and idiots) are being duped into being conned time and time again! If there is not then perhaps we should be hassling our MPs about this.

This one is just starting to get ridiculous. ... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victoria-Silver-Crown-1839-Sealed-Capsule/142615445544?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

She / he knows full well what they are doing. They also know how to manipulate the listing to try and distance themselves from any wrongdoing. Scumbag.

I messaged field_walker, the seller of the "antique" coin with the little heart shape which shows it to be a replica, asking "why list it in Antiques>Antiquities>British?". He just replied: "Because I wanted to, who knows how old it is, do you know how old it is, there isn't a category for detecting finds is there. No more messages now have a nice day." For the benefit of newbies, this is the replica coin showing the heart stamp:

Indeed. We all no doubt remember the time honoured BUGem, which is clearly short for "Bugger 'em".

OK - He says it might be a gaming token - maybe I was wrong in thinking it was a sixpence... Is he implying it 'might' be gold then or something then if it isn't a gaming token? I am confused and have probably given the listing too much of my time already, lol. Let's move on.

I can't see how he can list it as VF... and what are all those wavy marks on it? I have one that is fne...maybe better - but it has a load of coin art on it... none of it any good, lol. I have it on my stall for about £7.00..... maybe I'll e-bay it, lol.

This excellent topic http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/8211-portcullis-varieties-on-decimal-penny/ and its more recent contributions prompted me to complete my 1p varieties survey. Some history. There are only three major articles regarding decimal bronze coinage that include details of 1 pence varieties published in contemporary magazines:- Decimal Bronze 1/2, 1 & 2 pence varieties, Coin, 25 Jan 1980 by Iain WP Dracott, K.B.Wiles and Ron Stafford, Addendum to Decimal Bronze, Coin Monthly, Oct 1984 by Iain WP Dracott, and finally, Coin Varieties: Latest Discoveries, Coin Monthly, Aug 1987, by Ron Stafford. The main points to note about these articles is that they were written by the same three people, who have cooperated on various other articles over the years, so they are aware of each others views and the other point of note is that the first two articles include an additional reverse variety that has be excluded from the third article. The excluded reverse suggests that there are two sizes of pattern on the reverse. Prior to these articles three Letters to the editor, all in Coin Monthly, Decimal Reverses, by E.B.Mackenzie dated July 1978, discusses 1972 Proof set reverses, a further letter, Decimal Reverses, from E.B.Mackenzie adds further information received from the Royal Mint regarding the 1972 proof set reverses and a final letter from E.B.Mackenzie, A Reverse Pattern, dated March 1979 discussing 1971 through 1978 proof set reverses. Data from these letters was included in the three main articles. A final article, The 1990 UK Circulation Coinage, Coin Monthly, April 1991 by P.S.MacKenzie discuses differences between circulating coinage and those in the BU and proof sets. I have looked for the different size reverses and have concluded that they don’t exist. That being the case I have continued the August 1987 series adding new obverses and reverses. An extract of the 1987 article from Coin Monthly follows: “Decimal pennies Obverse 1 (1) 111 beads (2) 1 of date to space (3) I of ELIZABETH to bead Obverse 2 (1) 111 beads (2) I of date to bead (3) I of ELIZABETH to space Obverse 3 (1) 111 beads (2) 1 of date to space (3) I of ELIZABETH to space Obverse 4 (1)112 beads (2) new portrait etc (3)last I of II to bead Obverse 5 (1) 109 beads (2) as obverse 4 (3) last I of II to space Reverse A (I) III beads (2) right leg of N in NEW to bead (3) thin numeral 1 below portcullis Reverse B (1) 111 beads (2) right leg of N in NEW to space (3) thick numeral 1 below portcullis Reverse C (1) 110 beads (2) legend now reads ONE PENNY (3) small 1 below portcullis Summary Circulation 1971 - 1 A 1972 - none minted 1973-1975 - lA 1976 - lA and 1B (rare) 1977 - lA 1978-1981 - 2A 1982-1983 - 2C 1984 - 3C 1985 - 4C 1986 - 5C Unc Sets 1982-1983 - 2C 1984 - 3C 1985-4C 1986 - 5C Proof Sets 1971 - lA 1972-1977 - lA and 1B 1978-1981 - 2B 1982-1983 - 2C 1984 - 3C 1985 - 4C 1986 - 5C? (not seen) NB: the reverse A Proofs are scarcer for 1972-1977, those of 1972, 76 and 77 being very scarce. Notes The rare circulation 1976 reverse B is very hard to find. I know of only six specimens. I found only two out of 3,681 1976 pennies checked during a sortee in 1979. If anyone should stumble upon a 1975 reverse B in change, they would have a very rare coin indeed. No one knows for sure if it even exists but the 'new reverses' first seen in the Proof sets do occur on both 1975 and 1976 2 and 10 pences issued for circulation. The earliest 1976 1 B rarity I know of was found by P S Mackenzie in late 1976/early 1977. The 1985 and 1986 circulation pennies are now extremely common, there does not seem to. be any varieties, all 1985 being type 4C and all 1986 being type 5C. The earliest reported 1985 penny was found on 22 November 1985 by Mr Symes. For the 1986 penny, the first was noticed on 14 August 1986 by Mr D Price.” End of Article. New Obverses Obverse 6 (1) 111 bb. (2) 1 of 19 lt bb. (3) I of ELIZ to sp. (4) Last I of II to sp. (5) R to bb. Obverse 7 (1) 110 bb. (2) I of 19 to sp. (3) I of ELIZ to bb. (4) Last I of II to bb. (5) R to bb. Obverse 8 (1) 110 bb. (2) I of 19 to bb. (3) I of ELIZ rt bb. (4) Last I of II to bb. (5) R rt bb. Obverse 9 (1) 109 bb. (2) 1 of 19 to bb. (3) I of ELIZ to sp. (4) Last I of II to sp. (5) R lt bb. Obverse 10 (1) 115 bb. (2) 1 of 19 sl bb. (3) I of ELIZ rt sp, (4) Last I of II sr bb. (5) R lt bb. (6) 4th Portrait. Obverse 11 (1) 110 bb. (2) New millennium (3) I of ELIZ to sp, (4) Last I of II to sp. (5) R sr bb Old Reverses Reverse A (1) 111 bb. (2) R leg of N in NEW to bb. (3) R leg of 2nd N to bb. (4) P rt bb. (5) Tall thin numeral 1 below portcullis to bb. Reverse B (1) 111 bb. (2) R leg of N in NEW to sp. (3) R leg of 2nd N to sp. (4) P to sp. (5) Tall thick numeral 1 below portcullis. Reverse C (1) 110 bb. (2) R leg of N in ONE to sp. (3) R leg of 2nd N to sp. (4) P rt bb. (5) Small numeral 1 below portcullis to sp. New Reverses Reverse D (1) 113 bb. (2) R leg of N in ONE to sp. (3) R leg of 2nd N to bb. (4) P to sp. (5) Small numeral 1 below portcullis sl bb. Reverse E (1) 111 bb. (2) R leg of N in ONE to bb. (3) R leg of 2nd N to bb. (4) P to bb. (5) Small numeral 1 below portcullis rt bb.. Reverse F (1) 109 bb. (2) R leg of N in ONE rt bb. (3) R leg of 2nd N to sp. (4) P to bb. (5) Small numeral 1 below portcullis sr bb. Notes: Reverses A through C are as original but with some additional detail. Pointings. It can be a bit confusing when discussing pointings. Which direction is one looking from? I always follow the rule of “as you read it”, so on a 1p reverse you read the NEW PENNY from the centre of the coin looking towards the rim. For example, taking the letter N of NEW you would sight from the bottom of the right hand (RH) leg, to the top of the leg and onto the boarder bead (bb) beyond. 1. One would then say the leg points to the centre of a boarder bead (to bb), or 2. slightly left or slightly right of the center of a boarder bead (sl or sr bb), or 3. right or left of a border bead (rt or lt bb), that is to the edge of the bb or very slightly into the space between boarder beads , and finally, 4. points between two boarder beads or in other words to the center of the space (to sp). When looking at the number 1, then the orientation is from the rim to the centre (as that’s “how you read it”). Boarder beads (bb) and teeth. Beads are just teeth that don’t touch an internal or external boarder or rim. Portcullises. The first report of variations in the portcullis were made by Dr R.M.Owens to Coin News in January 2013. These have become known as type 1 and type 2 portcullises. This confuses the situation slightly as the variations refer to the representations of the rivets used on the portcullis and not the actual portcullises themselves. There are two kinds of portcullis, that which was used on circulation coins from 1971 through to 1981 and on proof coins for 1971 which I call type 0 and the second type used on all other circulation, proof and brilliant uncirculated set coins and this is known as types 1 and 2. Type 0. The vertical and horizontal parts of the portcullis do not touch each other and the vertical parts are detached from the horizontal rod above them. The rivets are in relief and the positioning of the rivets is regular and even. Type 1. The vertical and horizontal parts do touch each other and the vertical parts do touch the horizontal rod above them. The rivets are in relief and the positioning of the lower two rivets on the central vertical bar varies slightly. Type 2 The vertical and horizontal parts do touch each other and the vertical parts do touch the horizontal rod above them. The rivets are incuse and and the positioning of the rivets on the central vertical and lower horizontal bar vary. Expanded Summary Obverse and Reverse pairing A note regarding the reverse designations. I have added the portcullis type and rivet position subtype to the familiar reverse designation. Summary Circulation 1971 - 1A0 1972 - none minted 1973-75 - lA0 1976 - lA0 and 1B0 (rare) 1977 - lA0 1978-81 - 2A0 1982-83 - 2C1 1984 - 3C1 1985 - 4C1 1986–88 - 5C1 1989 - 7C1 1990-91 - 5C1 1991-92 - 5D2b and 5C2b 1992 -5F2b 1993 - 9D2b, 9F1 and 9F2b 1994 - 5C1, 5D2b and 5F1 1995-97 - 5D2b 1998-99 - 10Db2 2000 - 11D2c and 11F2b 2001-07 - 11F2b 2007-08 - 11F1 2008 - 11F2b BU Sets 1982-83 - 2C1 1984 - 3C1 1985 - 4C1 1986-87 - 5C2a 1988 - 6C2a 1989 - 7C2a 1990 - 8C2a 1991-92 - 8E1 1993-97 - 8E2b 1998-99 - 10 E2b 2000-08 - 11E2b 2008 - 11F1 Proof Sets 1971 - lA0 1972-76 - lA? and 1B1 1977-81 - 2B1 1982-83 - 2C1 1984 - 3C1 1985 - 4C1 1986-87 - 5C2a 1988 - 6C2a 1989 - 7C2a 1990 - 8C2a 1991-92 - 8E1 1993-97 - 8E2b 1998-99 - 10E2b 2000-07 - 11E2b 2008 - 11E2b and 11F1 I will add pictures of the various obverses, reverses and portcullises tomorrow (with luck!).

Hello there I have about 20-30 kg of the sort of stuff that was in your pocket in the 1960's. No, not that, I mean bronze coinage. I have been an avid Victorian variety finder for years, and have a nice 20th Century folder, but all these new 20th Century micro varieties are a bit of a grey area. The tub of coins is at my blacksmiths- he wants to make something artistic with them. Before he does this, would anyone out there want to trawl the lot for any of the new varieties that have come to light over the last few years? I know the pile has no obvious useful value coins in it, but as regards new varieties, it is totally unsearched. ( I wish my spelchek didn't keep putting 'unstarched'...) Now I know that the word 'unsearched' on fleabay is often cause for hilarity, but in this case it's true... I'm near Milton Keynes. Regards Blake

Does this not apply to ebay themselves. I think they are violating more than 1 code but definitely this one The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 Prohibition of the promotion of unfair commercial practices 4. The promotion of any unfair commercial practice by a code owner in a code of conduct is prohibited.

Nice idea. Another method would be to put up an eBay Guide with images etc. If someone wants to write one, and if they don't have an eBay account then I would be happy to put it up on my eBay account (I am too much of a newbie to write such a thing!).

One method that might help, would be to put up a 'spoof' advert on eBay showing pictures of known fake coins with explanations i.e. those already being advertised, with a request not to bid on the items shown. I've seen this done before and it was helpful. Could be done from a 'new' eBay account so as to avoid compromising one's own normal username. It would be interesting to see how long it would take eBay to twig and take the auction down for that non-item.

"Interesting, so in other words are you saying CCF as a US forum has more "pull" with eBay? " Probably. They have nearly 50,000 members, the majority of whom are American. " How do we go about reporting it to CCF is there a thread we need to post to specifically." Yes, and it can be complicated the first time you use it. https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=162 Looking back, I've reported 42 items. 29 were taken down. "Ebay should have a UK coin expert online watching the listings. It would not take much for them to spot the fakes and cut them off at source. " They used to have a fakes and counterfeits committee. Bob Gurney aka Swamperbob from CCF was one of the members. Ebay disbanded it. Probably for being too effective.

Very good point!

Report it via Action Fraud making sure to mention that eBay was notified and did nothing.

I,ve just reported Ebay to Watchdog about fraudulent coin listings being sold for fortunes, even although I know for a fact that the listing has been reported numerous times. Ebay should have a UK coin expert online watching the listings. It would not take much for them to spot the fakes and cut them off at source. Ebay would also still generate the same income or more if it was knownly cleaned up, with coins sold by genuine sellers.

I've frequently had fakes pulled from ebay.uk by reporting them to CCF.

It's precisely because Ebay are so frigging useless in this (motivated no doubt, by self interest) that I reckon some regulatory or policing authority, with powers, needs to be involved. Apart from a perceived "duty of care" to customers which is much more tenuous to enforce upon eBay and easier for them to wriggle out of, if there is perceived complicity in fraud because of their inaction, and a third-party authority warns them because of this, then maybe they might start to be effective in this respect.

I've mentioned this before, but CCF (Coincommunityforum) have a very good track record of getting fakes taken down. See: https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=162 I'm not sure why they are so successful, probably because of their very high membership and the fact that they are U.S. based.

He has been selling shed loads of fakes, from halfcrowns to crowns over the last couple of weeks and raking in a fortune. Guess he is going to have a Merry Christmas. I feel sorry for genuine sellers trying to make a living. But how on earth does he manage to keep his 100% feedback, are coin collectors really that naive?

I thought I would tag my letter under yours hope you don't mind I sent an email to the BM asking about the 1951 different colour issue boxes and here is the reply. Dear Mr Fox Please accept my apologies for the delay in response to your enquiries, dated 21 November. The 1951 Festival of Britain crown were issued in maroon and green cardboard boxes. Our records here at the Royal Mint Museum in Llantrisant give no specific reason why different coloured boxes were used, however the numbers of crowns sold at Southbank and in the banks is similar to the number sold in maroon and green boxes respectively. Unfortunately, there is no information to confirm this is the case, and it may be that this is simply a coincidence. Yours sincerely Fiona Trumper Public Engagement & Information Officer

It's shagged! Looks like it was run over. £20 start price. What a dreamer ? I sent him a message late last night telling him that lizzies a copy. He's not replied to me. Correction.....Just checked my emails. Two msgs off him/her. One rambling nonsense about not knowing him / her or if he's got a penis between his legs and another linking to a youtube video called you don't know me by Jax I stated in my original message a man who walks fields should know better than to be selling this rubbish. Appears to be taking offence at me Gender assigning him/her. Absolute idiot! But unfortunately there's nothing abusive in them that would warrant me reporting them.

I politely messaged him saying this looked like a recent copy, and he sent a rude reply: "When did I tell you this was a coin, as you are new to coin collecting you should be able to read my description in full, where does it say coin, I believe it doesn't. does it. You should know that before you send ugly messages out." Lovely seller. Will report - should not be listed in Antiques!

Looks like a contemporary forgery to me ???!!!

My Rotographic price list gives it as £10.00 in fine condition.... although it might be 'nearly fine' (being very generous)... it has a lot of ugly pitting on it. I couldn't grade it any better than VG at best imo. He has put it up for £20.00. lol - maybe some mug will buy it.

I see he has had 6 enquiries about it. Reported. ?

Sadly this is all too common nowadays. Get a good reputation selling geniune stuff then move on to selling repros and Claires accessories trinkets passing them off as detecting finds.

I find it had to believe people pay that much for obvious repros. At least the chinese do theirs in a really convincing style! (gits).

I've often thought some of the "detecting finds" this bloke sells look suspect or dodgy. This confirms my suspicions https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Interesting-Item-Metal-Detecting-Find/152814735199

I thought it may have been your site, appologies but I'm learning all the time. I assume I'd be better to talk via RP Coins regarding purchases.

And the king's moustache has been twirled on the right coin - or is it Hercule Poirot ????

Bought this . I love the patina on this coin. Looks like a Hypo coin which I would guess is a scarce thing on 1950 pennies?

be careful when buying Henry VIII hammered ,there is lots of fake/ reproductions out there .If like me ,you have a basic knowledge ,most of them are easy to spot , but if you are a complete novice ,then you can be easily caught out . If you see anything on ebay ,dealers website etc .that takes your fancy , stick a pic up of it on here (before you buy )and one of the more knowledgeable members will keep you right .

Elizabeth 1st shillings can be had in good grade within your budget , and are a decent size .