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The lack of H was the first thing I spotted! And with the gap between R and I of BRITT this looks a genuine one! Stunning purchase, GF details for me, probably previously cleaned but still one of the better ones. Bosh ! Jerry

When you posted your query, I did not even notice the lack of H! Very well done for finding one of those. How long have you had it? £6 is a stunning bargain. As to grading - I am not probably the best person to quote as I tend to be old-fashioned and grade harsher than most modern dealers. For example, I would not agree with the London Coins grading of the other example. I would give that only F on the obverse and a nVF on the reverse. On that basis, yours would grade aF or F both sides, with the scratches noted as details. But what the heck, I would forgive any grade to have an example in my collection! I prefer to grade on Rob's basis - "Acceptable" or "Not Acceptable".

Thank you, here is an example from London coins that was graded VF or better, such a shame mine is cleaned and scratched.. That's really the root of my question how does the cleaning and scratches change the grading.

I found this 1861 2+D coin and assumed it was 8 over 6, because the 8 over 8 I wasnt aware it exists, Then I found this example listed on ebay by Gary: https://www.ebay.com/itm/326784536418 once i started looking for 8 over 8 and then I found a third on London coins. Following sending the information to Richard Sessions this information was added to his website; https://rarestpennies.wordpress.com/1861-f18-8-over-8/ If you have some 1861 coins have a look closely at the 8 will be interesting to know if any others appear. The rarest penny website by Richard has proven really useful and has allowed me to learn alot of information in a short period of time of which I cant thank Richard enough. I enjoy finding coins and going to the website to learn about pairings and variety's, more often than not things are not what I think they are.. It's a steep learning curve identifying variety's and pairings from this series. And would be much harder without a site like Richard's.

I'm still not as good at this as I want to be but if I were putting it into my catalog, I'd note it as VF+ details obverse and VF reverse because of the wear on the high spots. There's enough of the dress, to me, to warrant VF. I wait to hear other views

I purchased this coin for 6 pound 🙂, so cant be too upset for the light cleaning and scratches. The actual colour of the coin is typical cleaned bronze colour. Given the cleaning, scratches how would you grade the coin? Many thanks.

Ah now that shows great promise!

Thank you ! I Just posted another coin. 1874 with some differences to the back of the helmet plume, possible extra plumes, I'm not sure.

I noticed this 1874 penny with what appears a difference to the back of the helmet plume. What do you think? thanks.

Another trial.

And welcome to the forum. It is good to question any anomalies you may spot as true new varieties are still out there - at least three genuinely significant new Victorian pennies have first been described here over the last decade or so. Don’t be afraid to keep posting and show any interesting acquisitions. Jerry

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Ok thank you for this.

Understood thank you.

Thank you, I was only interested if the differences count as variety. Now its clear this is not the case.

Another fresh challenge.... it weighs 0.23g Civi Tas Lon Don...... can be read,...managed to get clear photos today..... any thoughts?

I agree with Richard and Jerry - there's nothing there that couldn't be accounted for by a difference in grade or die wear, or an infinitesimal recutting of the tiniest details.

It will probably be a reworked 1717 reverse die. I wrote about mine on p.806 of the acquisition thread and another point where we had quite a lengthy discussion involving brg658 about this. More than one die may be involved, but it looks conclusive on the two coins mentioned in that discussion. There are at least a few die pairs, but haven't had time to pursue the maximum number I can identify.

I managed to get 3 of the 2023 the first week they were dropped into circulation while on holiday in Filey. I've had one more since & a 5p piece. I'd probably have had more but i use my card for most purchases.

Best place to sell would be eBay or the like as you get the most money. Not sure about current price as it's been a bit up and down lately.

I have seen plenty of both 2023 and 2025 £1 coins, though less recently, so maybe the Ebay hype is getting to people. Now if you found a 2024 £1, or indeed any 2024 GB coins in circulation, that would be well worth reporting!

I'm not a modern coin collector...I use to keep an eye out for the undated 20p's and during the Olympics 50p's were circulating I sold them as I found them and made a good return on them.....and saw them reduce in price as time moved on....However today The 2025 King Charles III Bees £1 coin was in my small change....now its claimed to be currently the rarest circulating uk £1 coin, with only 170,000 entering circulation.......Is this true or just hype ? I see them on ebay for silly money but not wanting to get caught up with this game....

Yes, buy it if you like it but, in my opinion, there's nothing really to get excited about.

Buy the coin if it ticks boxes in your collection, but not just because of the doubling which is so common as to be normal especially in the earlier years of this coinage. Jerry