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I dont think these have been show by me, undated... the lower one look like it may have a cracked die, albeit not currency and only, model / toy coins...

There are more recent examples like the pobjoy mint £1 isle of man coins in the early 1980's at the ideal home exhibitions they had a special privy mark on them. It might be interesting to get a list of exibitors from the great exhibition , to be honest i cannot see the royal mint being there but the heaton mint or moore could have been . I am asuming the new model crown came after the much more common gothic example produced in 1848 or a little later

Did you set a reserve? It would be a shame to let it go for a fraction of the price it has previously made.. Surely it's not a common coin? Then again it's quite obscure in the sense you need to be looking for it and weighing 65's to find one.

Thanks chaps....yes, I saw it on the LCA website when researching the value and included that in my eBay listing. I honestly can't recall if it was I who obtained it from LCA as it is obviously the same one. It's nice in hand, quite obviously heavier. If I did pay that much for it I assume I will be lucky to get my money back. I may be wrong but get the impression there was much more interest back then.

I quickly checked a few of the obvious commonwealth countries I cant find a bronze coin that size and weight.

1 Penny 1965 Mint Error - Mis Strike, struck on a thicker heavy flan and weighing 12.11 grammes, A/UNC the obverse with traces of lustre, Sold £280

That would place it around the time of the Great Exhibition of 1851. Fascinating to speculate it may have been struck there to demonstrate minting machinery, just as the 1951 crown was struck at the Festival of Britain.

The 1900 is the best grade - edging towards EF. The 1891 is at least F but perhaps a bit better The 1853 has too little hair detail to rate F but getting there The others are scrap I'm afraid

Interesting as it might be, it will be a random strike on a blank intended for something else. You can hazard a guess as to the intended blank, but if you send it to the Royal Mint, their records will tell what issues were being struck in that year on blanks of that weight. I have a 67 florin which was apparently struck on a blank for a Burundi 10 Francs, which I would not have guessed. i.e yours could be a blank for anywhere on the planet. Best ask the question. Value will be minimal, but does have some value above the regular issue.

Not Mine, its a commonly heard yarn, on this occasion it was the wife's co-worker talking about the things they do ?!?!? I tend to let the conversation just go in one ear and out the other as its very Very rare that it will be of any remote interest..... " ah my aunties cousin brother uncles mate who has a dog with one eye had passed away and was asked to clear their crap and found a match box with old coin inside!" I was nudged "Old Coins!" huh??? oh now I see... 😮 are they worth anything???? the photos arrived hence the long winded intro.... I could tell them what the scrap price is as they have been circulated but it seem a bit harsh... if by chance anyone can take the time to advise as to the Grade and a better Idea what they may be worth would be of a great help. the Shillings I noted 1864 and 1874 have die No's which for me is a nice talk point.......Many thanks "H"

I must admit it looks very dated for the time (About 1850 ) a time when the british empire was massively expanding IMHO but at the time it's a perfectly good pattern coin

I now have my own New model crown and a total beauty it is to I got it for less than three figures so am really happy its in about EF grade

It may or may not attract enough interest to eventually be classed as a variety. Do some research, write an article, and who knows? Gouby listed the 1946 ONE' and claimed it was scarcer than the 1926ME. I used his note in my ultimately successful effort to get Spink to include it in the Standard Catalogue, which would have increased collector interest several times over.

Damn, that's lovely. I'm really much more into silver than bronze coins but that one is so lovely that all I can say is "thank you" for sharing it.

I can quite see how a snappy descriptor, coupled with just the right level of scarcity, adds a touch of glamour to a particular coin and helps to make it more sought after - whether the V word is carelessly applied or not. Against the dot pennies, the poor old "1915 extra bar penny" doesn't stand much a chance, despite its origins and scarcity being broadly similar (IMO).

Having lost interest in my penny collection and getting on in years, I decided to sell some. Someone else may as well enjoy them. It's a long time since I used this forum so having forgot about it, I put some on eBay. Is that a good place to sell or better on here? I listed this 1965 heavy flan but had no interest so it's re-listed. I also put a collection of errors on there. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/127966667173 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/127965963419

I wonder why Freeman included the 1897 dot in "The Bronze Coinage of Great Britain" but not the ONE ' - maybe because the latter looks like an extraneous piece of metal whereas he postulates that the perfectly round dot on the 1897 might be some kind of identification mark. Either way those two example are much easier to describe concisely, just as you have done, than the other spurious dot types which can appear anywhere on the coin.

One of the fundamental rules of collecting is that it is entirely down to individual taste, with no right or wrong. A person unable to see alternative views is too blinkered or has an unhealthy personal interest in the outcome. It is also a given that if someone writes down their research on paper, some people will collect said identified differences. One or more of the latter group will then see anomalies and try to rationalise them, and so the research continues. The logical conclusion therefore is that eventually, we will able to identify nearly all of the coin dies that were ever made. Not 100%, but pretty damn close. As a reference point - great. As a collecting aim - get a life if you want everything, and ask to carry any brownie points into the afterlife, because you will need all the time you have 10x over I can't explain why, but whenever I hear the passionate debates about what is right and wrong and the refusal to back down on a view, I am always reminded of the late Eric Heffer's speech in the Commons concerning the Labour left's hounding of Princess Michael of Kent regarding her father being in the SS during WW2. The basics were along the lines of: I think it important that someone from this side says this. I've never met the woman, have no desire to meet her and I am unlikely to ever do so, but in a democracy, nobody can be held accountable for the actions of their forefathers. So if those trying to make political capital from this would kindly sit down and shut up, we can get on with the business for which we were duly elected. He may have been left wing, but living in a democracy topped his political views By extrapolation, a tolerance of conflicting views ensures that life can continue peacefully, with the only likely damage in numismatics being data overload. I can live with that. The views will always be diverse, only the tolerance varies.

I agree with all that. However I'd lay the blame not with Freeman but with Coin Monthly! I started collecting as a schoolboy in the late 60s and the very first issue I bought had a Beginners Page featuring (did they call them "varieties"? Can't remember..) three pennies, two of which have been mentioned here: the 1897 O.NE and the 1946 ONE' - plus a Vic copper penny though I don't recall which date or where the extra dot was. I think that as a result of that notoriety, those particular anomalies became accepted as varieties.

I have a motorola Razr and my coin photos with it are garbage. I need to buy a macro lens for my Pentax K3 DSLR instead. The SMC Pentax-D FA 50mm F2.8 Macro looks promising (75mm angle of view on the crop sensor). But I always end up buying more coins instead... funny that! 🤣

Ooh, flagship phone 😀 I have only upgraded mine from budget to mid tier and the causal photos are already much better