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Good spot, and an absolute bargain penny. The half is probably Rhuddlan too, the reverse reads OND.ON for SIMOND.ON.RVLA. Found a nice cut half of SIMOND detecting years ago. Jerry

Hopefully not lol. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you 🤞

I managed on Sunday to get a whole example of a half I've had for year's. Sweating now waiting for it to arrive 😆

I’ll give you this much, you’re quite the detective. Your knowledge of these little details is very impressive. I do get the thrill, though, especially on those occasions where you’re seeking out (or waiting for) a complete example to finish the puzzle. Great stuff!

Thanks, Stu, fingers crossed! It would end up being a freebie if it comes good…would end up being a previously unknown pairing, too, with the no-mark reverse! Though this is what makes me feel it probably isn’t. knowing my luck with trying to get hold of one of these, it will more likely end up being the crud from an old plug 😆

Spotted this on Ebay. It was in the sold listings. Its got the 1 3 5 crown and reversed N we see on Rhuddlan coins but i cannot match the reverse. It's probably a mistrike of some sort but interesting enough to keep a note of.

Looks promising Stu. Goodluck !

Can’t be a rose, it’s the wrong bust…

Is it or isn’t it? An online bid today in a bulk lot of 6 coins! Was a cheap enough buy to chance finding out. The only spanner in the works is what appears to be a no-mark reverse.

Thanks for the clarification.

I particularly like the 1860/59 tie ribbons (plural)............always present in same place + further clashing under Victoria's chin.

As a fun film "The madness of king george" is not bad , puts a lighter and more human side to Georges you even feel sorry for the king at times.

Most due to the size were probably lost not long after they were cut especially the quarter cut ones. They have become more common on the collector's market in the past 20 year's due to better metal detectors. I tend to pick them up in lots. I only bid on individual cut coins when i can ID them as being different or from rarer mints. Class 5a coins have a reversed S so if i see them or a 4c with a reversed S i will buy them if they are not whole and the S is visible. I have a half cut of Chichester mint which is not an easy mint to get a whole coin for plus a few Rhuddlan halfs. This is one that i was able to die match using Mass / Slevin to Ravl at London mint. What makes it different is the Square E which is not usually seen on class 1b1 coins. It's little things like that which i tend to look out for when collecting cut coins. Stu.

Probably like that because they are maundy and therefore rarely used for payment, even though legal tender at the time. If that 1840 was a regular groat, you would feel far more comfortable with it.

looking at the Half penny's that I have , like yours the details are still very vivid also being silver you'd think that they'd been cashed in melted down and re used ... Ive found 5 Halves that I have ...as yet no quarters, Hopefully others will join in, it will be of interest.... 👍

Have a look at Gouby's (brilliant) website if you want to learn more about all the various types of coin varieties, and specifically at this page for this die-clash ribbon issue: https://michael-coins.co.uk/cp1848 ribbon.htm I also insert a screenshot of some of the subtly different clashes that have typically been observed by Gouby based on the impact pressure and transfer of detail for separate clashes.

Wales always was a bit behind the times ...........

You might be better off at the ironbridge gorge outdoor museum

Hi, Ok point taken the “documented” and what is stated on eBay. From my perspective as a novice to collecting and variants, etc… which is a minefield by the way, when I saw what looks very like a piece of fluted ribbon and at least 2 other people, albeit on eBay saying it is a rare variant, I thought that I had one and asked ‘the experts’ for more information. In your photo above just looks like a smudge and mine attached looks a lot more like an actual addition with folding and pleating as you would expect in material of the day. Thank you all for you help, support and instructional responses to my query.

Four Pence Victorian 1840 & 1877 (Maundy) Delving through the hoard today...... and these two I though were worth a show as they are in incredible condition.... which is a bit of a rarity amongst my lot.... 😲

As Ian says, this is the result of a die clash and definitely NOT a "distinct ribbon knot". Some people may find it collectable, but it is not, in my view, an intentional or accidental man-made "variety". I have an example myself but I haven't even bothered to distinguish it from a "normal" 1859 large date penny.

in take of breath........ So looking through everything and believe that this is a Henry VII Penny, York Mint 1485-1500 Weight 0.5 obverse side completely rubbed the reverse side shows keys below the shield... so York Mint. so is it by chance Spink 2235 ? possibly rare? I have also found it to be called a "sovereign penny" but unsure if this is correct.

Just because someone has made a random claim on eBay that this is a "rare variety" does not make it a documented fact of any substance. And herein lies the whole problem of so called "AI" - it just regurgitates superficial stuff trawled from the internet with no discernment or discrimination and presents it as gospel truth. Alfnail's quoting Gouby regarding die clash damage above is proper scholarly documentation, actual fact, and derived from many years of human expertise, experience, analysis and real intelligence. Yet AI couldn't manage to reconcile that internet based evidence...

The 'ribbon' on this 1859 is die clashing, explained on Gouby's website, where he now also references Peck 404. The 'overlay' picture below also highlights the 'clash' area.