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[1949threepence]

3 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

Yes your right Pete ,it isnt the Jackson coin.

The picture i used was the grading companies photograph ,Baldwin have done there own picture and with the magnifier on the website will be much better to give a true picture.

I think considering how difficult it has been to get stock for auctions of such rarity and high grade they have done a fantastic job putting such a good sale together.

A couple of nice rare farthings and a realistically priced estimate 1860 copper penny also i believe. 

I must take a look. Although I never find their site the easiest to navigate. 

[secret santa]

This is the Jackson coin. 

[oldcopper]

5 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

Yes your right Pete ,it isnt the Jackson coin.

The picture i used was the grading companies photograph ,Baldwin have done there own picture and with the magnifier on the website will be much better to give a true picture.

I think considering how difficult it has been to get stock for auctions of such rarity and high grade they have done a fantastic job putting such a good sale together.

A couple of nice rare farthings and a realistically priced estimate 1860 copper penny also i believe. 

Thanks Pete, sounds like they've got some nice coins there. I'll check it out.

[PWA 1967]

4 minutes ago, oldcopper said:

Thanks Pete, sounds like they've got some nice coins there. I'll check it out.

Dont know if you have looked at the Ian Sawden collection for sale at DNW ,interesting collection 👍

[oldcopper]

1 hour ago, PWA 1967 said:

Dont know if you have looked at the Ian Sawden collection for sale at DNW ,interesting collection 👍

Yes, I was going to mention that as well! Looks like the Autumn sales are suddenly looking a lot better on the copper front, but I don't know how reasonable the prices will be - have to wait and see on that one. 

[PWA 1967]

7 minutes ago, oldcopper said:

Yes, I was going to mention that as well! Looks like the Autumn sales are suddenly looking a lot better on the copper front, but I don't know how reasonable the prices will be - have to wait and see on that one. 

Give it a couple of months Pete and with more to choose from off dealers lists / websites and at shows the prices will come back down...........Hopefully 😂

Edited September 10, 2021 by PWA 1967

[1949threepence]

On 9/10/2021 at 8:11 AM, blakeyboy said:

I just tried to find the 1882 on Baldwin's site, but no luck searching for 'penny',  since 'penny' isn't used in the coin's description.

'1882' as a search term went straight to it.

Are there other pennies in the auction that are similarly 'hidden'?

Hi Blake - can you point me in the right direction. I've tried search as per the screenshot below. Put in 1882 and clicked "submit", but nothing happens. Thanks.

 

[jelida]

It’s on the Baldwins site, not St James’s. 😉

Jerry

[1949threepence]

12 minutes ago, jelida said:

It’s on the Baldwins site, not St James’s. 😉

Jerry

Thanks Jerry - was trying to determine whether it was the Christopher Comber collection or Auction 49 on the St James site, and it was actually auction 103 on the Baldwin's site all along !!! 

[1949threepence]

For convenience, here is the link to Auction 103. The 1882 No H is Lot No 175.

I'll also be very interested to see what lot 174's hammer price is. This is a really nice 1860/59.   

Was unable to edit my previous post. Maybe a hang back of yesterday's issues. 

[Peckris 2]

Is that the finest known 1882 no H ? I've never seen one anywhere near that good.

[oldcopper]

47 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said:

Is that the finest known 1882 no H ? I've never seen one anywhere near that good.

Look back in the thread. This one's a MS64BN, but Jackson's (Spink USA 2014) looked more lustrous and was MS64RB from memory. So comparable at least. I wonder if either of them is Noble's mint state  coin referred to by Peck, sold 1973.

Edited September 15, 2021 by oldcopper

[VickySilver]

Richard, was that you that secured the Jackson 1882? He really had some lovely coins (I got his 1869 that was quite wonderful).

[secret santa]

2 hours ago, VickySilver said:

Richard, was that you that secured the Jackson 1882? He really had some lovely coins (I got his 1869 that was quite wonderful).

No, I've only got the photos of it !

[1949threepence]

3 hours ago, secret santa said:

No, I've only got the photos of it !

 

Absolute dream of a coin.

[alfnail]

I’m just sorting through a few Victorian pennies, with a view to thinning down the collection, and thought the following pictures may be of interest to variety collectors.

They show 6 slightly different 1853  3/3 repairs. Top left is the exact same coin pictured on MG’s website, which he calls Date Style C (?):-

1853 Copper penny 3 date styles (michael-coins.co.uk)

Bottom left is the closer DEF colon (Peck 1503). I have owned 12 examples of this type over the years, and noted that they always show exact the same obverse / reverse legend features…… indicating that the closer DEF colon is only found on a single die pairing.

The fact that I have 6 different 3/3’s, all with Date Style C (Plain 5), I think demonstrates the difficulty that would be encountered if one ever tried to re-catalogue all the minor sub-varieties that are found in this copper series.

[Peckris 2]

2 hours ago, alfnail said:

The fact that I have 6 different 3/3’s, all with Date Style C (Plain 5), I think demonstrates the difficulty that would be encountered if one ever tried to re-catalogue all the minor sub-varieties that are found in this copper series.

You'll probably find there are more varieties and micro-varieties for 1858 than all the other copper series dates put together.

[secret santa]

3 hours ago, alfnail said:

The fact that I have 6 different 3/3’s, all with Date Style C (Plain 5), I think demonstrates the difficulty that would be encountered if one ever tried to re-catalogue all the minor sub-varieties that are found in this copper series.

As you know, Ian, I started to work on this and soon gave up !

[1949threepence]

9 hours ago, alfnail said:

I’m just sorting through a few Victorian pennies, with a view to thinning down the collection, and thought the following pictures may be of interest to variety collectors.

They show 6 slightly different 1853  3/3 repairs. Top left is the exact same coin pictured on MG’s website, which he calls Date Style C (?):-

1853 Copper penny 3 date styles (michael-coins.co.uk)

Bottom left is the closer DEF colon (Peck 1503). I have owned 12 examples of this type over the years, and noted that they always show exact the same obverse / reverse legend features…… indicating that the closer DEF colon is only found on a single die pairing.

The fact that I have 6 different 3/3’s, all with Date Style C (Plain 5), I think demonstrates the difficulty that would be encountered if one ever tried to re-catalogue all the minor sub-varieties that are found in this copper series.

 

Ian, 

Have you - out of interest - ever attempted to find out the number of ship variations on the 1797 penny?

I understand there are possibly about 20 - maybe more.

 

[alfnail]

Sadly ‘yes’ Mike, I have definitely looked into 1797 ships. 

I have owned and logged 40 different varieties of 1797 ships paired with 10-leaf obverses, and a further 7 different ships paired with the 11-leaf obverse.

I have taken digital microscope pictures, all to exactly the same scale (65x), for comparison. I have now sold all but 4 examples retained in my collection.

Apart from the number of gun port differences there are also many distinct differences in positioning of flag, bowsprit, platform, sails and rigging, also size of ships, roughness of sea and angle of ship in the sea.

I attach 8 examples to demonstrate some of the differences I found, reduced in size to meet the site 500Kb limit.

Hope this helps!

[alfnail]

next 4

 

[alfnail]

........and here is the extra (11th) leaf in case weren't sure where to find it!!

[1949threepence]

Thanks Ian. Even on my 1797's (10 & 11 leaves), there are noticeable ship differences - one having a much longer topsail, for example. I must say I think it takes great patience, dedication and obviously time to differentiate all the various ship types. But worthwhile as I'd bet a few would specialise in such a type collection, once known.

Talking about the 11th leaf, I have noticed how many are wrongly attributed as having 11 leaves, including mistakes by LCA. I honestly believe some just don't know what the difference is.     

[mrbadexample]

1 hour ago, 1949threepence said:

Talking about the 11th leaf, I have noticed how many are wrongly attributed as having 11 leaves, including mistakes by LCA. I honestly believe some just don't know what the difference is.     

Surely not Mike? 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123939606539?hash=item1cdb60500b:g:AhkAAOSwBLlVAWXk

[secret santa]

4 hours ago, alfnail said:

I attach 8 examples to demonstrate some of the differences I found, reduced in size to meet the site 500Kb limit.

Ian, are you happy that I add these pics to my varieties website, crediting you ?