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[PWA 1967]

One indicator i have just noticed looking at the pictures ,is the tide on D is above a tooth but on E directly to one.

[Peckris 2]

5 hours ago, secret santa said:

Am I missing something ? I can't see any difference in the rock between 1909 rev D, 1909 F169 rev E and 1910 rev E

Nor me. It's not an indicator like whether the sea intersects a tooth on the right or goes into a space, which is clear and obvious.

(Ouch, that will teach me - or not! - to notice whether there is a new page...)

Edited August 5, 2021 by Peckris 2

[1949threepence]

5 hours ago, secret santa said:

Am I missing something ? I can't see any difference in the rock between 1909 rev D, 1909 F169 rev E and 1910 rev E

1909 F168 rev D

 

 

1910 rev E

Possibly.

In relation to the differences between reverse D and Reverse E, Freeman said: "the rock above Britannia's foot has a different outline"

Of the three pics you provided, discount for comparison purposes the reverse E shown on the F169, which is worn, and merely concentrate on the other two non worn specimens showing reverses D & E respectively. Then compare the rock above Britannia's foot on the 1909 rev D, F168, with the same rock on the 1910 rev E, you'll notice that the downwards gradient from left to right on the F168 rock is gentler than the left to right gradient on the 1910 rev E, which shows a sudden abrupt sharp drop after a short distance. I think that may be what Freeman was alluding to when he said the two rocks had a different outline. At any rate to am impartial observer the upper outline of the two respective rocks does indeed show a variance.    

       

[secret santa]

Actually, looking at the 2 reverses, there is a greater difference in the waves, which are engraved completely differently on the two varieties.

[RLC35]

15 hours ago, secret santa said:

Actually, looking at the 2 reverses, there is a greater difference in the waves, which are engraved completely differently on the two varieties.

 

There is also a lower sea level on one coin from the other.

[secret santa]

8 minutes ago, RLC35 said:

There is also a lower sea level on one coin from the other.

It may look that way because of the different number of border teeth on the 2 reverses.

[secret santa]

Just watched a nice 1911 Hollow Neck sell for £1800 plus commission at Tennants auction.

[PWA 1967]

6 minutes ago, secret santa said:

Just watched a nice 1911 Hollow Neck sell for £1800 plus commission at Tennants auction.

I hope the buyer viewed it in hand and did not just buy it from the OBV picture 👍

[secret santa]

53 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

I hope the buyer viewed it in hand and did not just buy it from the OBV picture

It was on Ebay earlier this year and I enquired of the vendor whether it had been cleaned, polished etc as the apparent lustre could have been enhanced. I was hoping that the auction house would give it a more accurate description - I certainly wouldn't have bought it without viewing first. But it may be fine. I get some pics of the reverse from Tennants but they weren't very useful.

[PWA 1967]

15 minutes ago, secret santa said:

It was on Ebay earlier this year and I enquired of the vendor whether it had been cleaned, polished etc as the apparent lustre could have been enhanced. I was hoping that the auction house would give it a more accurate description - I certainly wouldn't have bought it without viewing first. But it may be fine. I get some pics of the reverse from Tennants but they weren't very useful.

Yes i remember it ,i only mentioned it as often people seem to be buying coins from pictures for quite a lot of money and in this case there was only one side 😀

I also asked for the pictures ,so they probably sent the same ones. 

So long as the buyer is happy that is all that matters and beginners dont just pay a good few quid from a picture of just one side.

Edited August 11, 2021 by PWA 1967

[alfnail]

Poor grade, but found this 1875Ce (Cannon Ball) on ebay the other day.

I noticed looking at latest MG page 68 that he still has the other type of 1875 with a dot (i.e. under the first I of VICTORIA) down as a Cd, with same obverse (his L) as the cannon ball.

However, the only coins I have seen with dot under I  have had the narrow date reverse. In fact I have only seen two 1875Cd's being sold since his 2009 book when type was first documented, both at auctions with LCA in 2016.

Q. Does anyone know if the dot under first  I of VICTORIA has actually (definitely) been seen paired with reverse L?

Q. Isn't the dot under first I, type Cd, equally as rare as the cannon ball (and 1870 dot under Y) and worthy, therefore, of being in Richard's rarestpennies list?

 

[jelida]

Yes, I noted that but thought that as I already have three I shouldn’t be greedy!

Jerry

[alfnail]

Yes, I saw you had 3 out of only 7 documented specimens to date, well done...... must drive you dotty!

[PWA 1967]

I looked at that and even sent a link to a friend as the 5 looked like it was over something on the ebay picture ,both of us did not notice the dot ,so well SPOTted 😀👍

[secret santa]

59 minutes ago, alfnail said:

Isn't the dot under first I, type Cd, equally as rare as the cannon ball (and 1870 dot under Y) and worthy, therefore, of being in Richard's rarestpennies list?

I don't have any pictures of this type.

[alfnail]

43 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

I looked at that and even sent a link to a friend as the 5 looked like it was over something on the ebay picture ,both of us did not notice the dot ,so well SPOTted 😀👍

Well spotted yourself Pete. I too saw that the 5 looked a bit strange, made me question whether the cannon ball was present because didn't think other cannon ball examples had anything going on with the 5.

Anyway, here is a close-up to put you out of your misery.

[alfnail]

9 minutes ago, secret santa said:

I don't have any pictures of this type.

Links to the two LCA pieces Richard:-

Penny 1875 as Freeman 80 dies 8+H but with a raised dot below the fi : A154 L2439 : Auction Prices (londoncoins.co.uk)

Penny 1875 as Freeman 80 dies 8+H but with a raised dot below the fi : A152 L2425 : Auction Prices (londoncoins.co.uk)

 

[blakeyboy]

Both of my 'dots below the I' are the small date too!

[alfnail]

Does your Cannon Ball have the repaired 5 Blake.... same question for Jerry x 3?

[secret santa]

2 hours ago, alfnail said:

Links to the two LCA pieces Richard:-

Thanks Ian, I'll create a  new page for these in the next few days.

[jelida]

56 minutes ago, alfnail said:

Does your Cannon Ball have the repaired 5 Blake.... same question for Jerry x 3?

None of my three have a repaired ‘5’, looking like yours, though the two better ones clearly show a very minor degree of doubling of the ‘8’,  ‘7’ and ‘5’.

Jerry

[blakeyboy]

1 hour ago, alfnail said:

Does your Cannon Ball have the repaired 5 Blake.... same question for Jerry x 3?

No- I looked earlier.  That '5' on yours is really interesting- what the hell is underneath???

[secret santa]

2 hours ago, blakeyboy said:

Both of my 'dots below the I' are the small date too!

Blake, can you post or send photos for my website please.

[jelida]

32 minutes ago, blakeyboy said:

No- I looked earlier.  That '5' on yours is really interesting- what the hell is underneath???

I don’t think anything is underneath, either a bit of die fill or a small knock to the crossbar of the ‘5’. But it could do with photo superimposition on a ‘normal’ ‘5’  to be sure that the outlines are the same. This surely must be a single die variety.

Jerry

[alfnail]

5 hours ago, alfnail said:

Q. Does anyone know if the dot under first  I of VICTORIA has actually (definitely) been seen paired with reverse L?

Apologies for my earlier typo, I should of course have said reverse k (not L).