Citizen H Posted April 9 Posted April 9 14 minutes ago, copper123 said: I would say around £2 I think it was a 20p purchase many many moons ago.....still not tempted to dip into the ice cream container of pennies 50p each to the Antiques fair... there's silver out there ....somewhere with my name on them, many many thanks "H" Quote
copper123 Posted April 10 Posted April 10 On 4/9/2025 at 3:16 PM, Citizen H said: I think it was a 20p purchase many many moons ago.....still not tempted to dip into the ice cream container of pennies 50p each to the Antiques fair... there's silver out there ....somewhere with my name on them, many many thanks "H" I love a rummage in a 50p box , have picked out many a bargain , sadly few recently... 1 Quote
Citizen H Posted April 10 Posted April 10 (edited) 25 minutes ago, copper123 said: I love a rummage in a 50p box , have picked out many a bargain , sadly few recently... it was the days of boot fairs i miss, then the bloody computers...oh and now the phones apps one guy held me up kept barging in whilst I was having a look see...still I did get the manky's and they cleaned up nicely... all the best and good hunting. 👍 Edited April 10 by Citizen H Quote
copper123 Posted April 10 Posted April 10 (edited) Never found much at car boots they have always been a dead loss, there again I do go to the birmingham coin fair regularly .. Edited April 10 by copper123 Quote
terrysoldpennies Posted April 20 Posted April 20 This one was up for auction at a starting price at £2.80 with no offers. Then it disappeared only to turn up as sold for £47. Its a Satin 28a. I only know of three, Bernie's one on Richards site, this one, and one other [No pic.] 1861 Freeman 4+D Centrally cut ribbon with misaligned colon after F:D: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/205436457401?_skw=1861+penny&itmmeta=01JSA06W8S3BFBQPH51PKENESB&hash=item2fd4f791b9:g:IdcAAeSwbtRoA5S2&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA4FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1d%2BQkGYEEyLO3zLsTXIJEyWIa6xLVpE35IrDPBn9qmxFJkZt0i3drt54CP8OXL5UPAyG9trH%2BjDR7UMWMpvhzXH7myS8d%2Fd4JBE1laG5KNccTvpGKw7T3DMCEV3fO2Z6ITP0C3rgaINuxjo1RJL3idV2kEdE6qQm5oTP8%2B54xIdtP6%2FNX7G4Fll3veMNqzHmOvE7pQB5hccRPNsdluyKgyyudwU1IYz%2FJ0ybeGiPjwjhGC%2FihHVRDDaM0DEYNiUFa8tAWHkXoIIu%2BkvuOEnUgrA|tkp%3ABk9SR8zEm8DKZQ 1 Quote
jelida Posted April 21 Posted April 21 well spotted Terry, got me looking at my three 1861 Gouby G's , the first from LCA and then cheap examples from Ebay and the Midland Coin Fair. To my mind the second coin could also be a 're-entered colon' example, though with a narrower colon in this case. What do you think? Jerry 1 Quote
terrysoldpennies Posted April 21 Posted April 21 yes , I agree your middle example looks just like my 1860 Gouby Vc coin pictured below, but with the 1861 reverse . Quote
secret santa Posted April 23 Posted April 23 On 4/21/2025 at 7:07 PM, jelida said: got me looking at my three 1861 Gouby G's Have I got all 3 of these, Jerry ? Quote
jelida Posted April 23 Posted April 23 1 hour ago, secret santa said: Have I got all 3 of these, Jerry ? I’ll have to check the first, and you don’t have the third. I’ll email you the images probably tomorrow. Jerry Quote
The Bee Posted May 22 Posted May 22 Reverse j or ja ? Hi, I have great difficulty in telling the difference between reverse j and reverse ja Great to get your thoughts ! Very Best Regards Quote
secret santa Posted May 22 Posted May 22 (edited) Have you looked at my website ? Your picture is clearly ja. https://pennyvarieties.wordpress.com/victoria-bronze-reverses/ Rev j above Rev ja above Edited May 22 by secret santa addition Quote
The Bee Posted May 22 Posted May 22 7 minutes ago, secret santa said: Your picture is clearly ja Many thanks Richard for confirming, even with the website and "The British Bronze Penny", this is one that still confuses me. It is a 1874 with the description " j " and I thought it might be a "ja" Very Best Regards Quote
jelida Posted May 22 Posted May 22 Yes, it’s a ja. Is it F72 or F78? The F72 ja variety seems rare in the higher grades - most are plain obverse j. All the F78 are ja and it is a fairly scarce coin . Jerry Quote
The Bee Posted May 22 Posted May 22 Hi Jerry, It was described as "1874, older head, small date, Fr. 72, Gouby dies K/j, about UNC, much lustre." Which would be F72 Here is the Obverse Quote
secret santa Posted May 22 Posted May 22 2 hours ago, jelida said: The F72 ja variety seems rare in the higher grades Yes, I think I'll add it to my rare penny site - I'd appreciate anyone's photos, please. 1 Quote
The Bee Posted May 22 Posted May 22 Many thanks again Richard for confirming it was ja and if the photos are helpful, please do use them. It came with what I believe is an 1875 Gouby Lk (so normal penny variety for 1875) in the same condition. Very Best Regards Quote
martinross44 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 Hi folks, I'm hoping for a few extra pairs of eyes in case I have a bit of confirmation bias going on. I believe this is a reverse F, but it is very worn! Quote
jelida Posted May 22 Posted May 22 2 hours ago, The Bee said: Hi Jerry, It was described as "1874, older head, small date, Fr. 72, Gouby dies K/j, about UNC, much lustre." Which would be F72 Here is the Obverse I think that actually might be an F78, it has the narrower gap between the ribbons, the gap is wider on an F72. But one of the best that I’ve seen. Do you agree Richard? Jerry 1 Quote
jelida Posted May 22 Posted May 22 50 minutes ago, martinross44 said: Hi folks, I'm hoping for a few extra pairs of eyes in case I have a bit of confirmation bias going on. I believe this is a reverse F, but it is very worn! It could well be, though I am not sure that the rock to the lower left of the shield is present which would be diagnostic. Can you post both sides, these rare coins tend to have very few die pairings and digit spacing etc will help confirm the possibility? Jerry Quote
Peckris 2 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 hour ago, The Bee said: Many thanks again Richard for confirming it was ja and if the photos are helpful, please do use them. It came with what I believe is an 1875 Gouby Lk (so normal penny variety for 1875) in the same condition. Very Best Regards It’s very definitely Reverse ja, else it would be Reverse nein. 3 Quote
martinross44 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 29 minutes ago, jelida said: It could well be, though I am not sure that the rock to the lower left of the shield is present which would be diagnostic. Can you post both sides, these rare coins tend to have very few die pairings and digit spacing etc will help confirm the possibility? Jerry Obverse is most definitely a Freeman 4. Coin is an 1861, so reverse options would be D, F and G. 99% sure its not a G. Unfortunately I think the area around the shield where a rock could be is just too far gone, hence the reliance on the domed lighthouse, thicker plume and number of teeth between the top of the lighthouse and bottom of the O Quote
terrysoldpennies Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 hour ago, jelida said: I think that actually might be an F78, it has the narrower gap between the ribbons, the gap is wider on an F72. But one of the best that I’ve seen. Do you agree Richard? Jerry I'm not Richard but I agree . I think its an F78 1 Quote
secret santa Posted May 22 Posted May 22 14 minutes ago, terrysoldpennies said: I think its an F78 Yup ! 1 Quote
jelida Posted May 22 Posted May 22 2 hours ago, Peckris 2 said: It’s very definitely Reverse ja, else it would be Reverse nein. Clever, Chris, though it took me a few minutes………….😀 Jerry 2 Quote
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