secret santa Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 I'm not sure I'm convinced it's a 4 underneath but I haven't got a better suggestion ! Quote
PWA 1967 Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) When i first looked at one i am pretty sure its a 4 as only the plain 4 out of all the digits fits and is the most likely repair with a crosslet one. Edited November 14, 2018 by PWA 1967 Quote
terrysoldpennies Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 8:09 AM, PWA 1967 said: Thought it better to show the picture of the reverse for anyone that might be interested as unrecorded. I was having another good look at the pictures of this New type 1847 with no colons after REG, and noticed that instead of a gown with the elaborate lace neck line, which you find on all the other reverse Victorian copper types. This one has what looks like a Gorget breastplate , with the embossed head of Medusa set into the centre , its difficult to be sure though as it could be a chainmail neck piece with the embossed head of Medusa on a solid piece of metal set into the chainmail . Small breastplates like this were used on armour going back as far as the Romans, and has been used for decoration on some military uniforms right up to the present day . Pictured below is a Gorget worn be the German Military Police during the WW2, which I think looks remarkably similar to Britanniar's neck piece on this newly found type. 1 Quote
1949threepence Posted December 1, 2018 Posted December 1, 2018 Was intrigued by the Freeman 189 (3 + B) penny, which is noted by him as R19. Found this really interesting article positing various theories about it. So probably F20 - unique 1 Quote
Mr T Posted December 1, 2018 Posted December 1, 2018 33 minutes ago, 1949threepence said: Was intrigued by the Freeman 189 (3 + penny, which is noted by him as R19. Found this really interesting article positing various theories about it. So probably F20 - unique I actually wrote that article - glad you found it interesting. 4 2 Quote
1949threepence Posted December 2, 2018 Posted December 2, 2018 29 minutes ago, Mr T said: I actually wrote that article - glad you found it interesting. Certainly did, and thanks very much Quote
Bernie Posted December 2, 2018 Posted December 2, 2018 Take a look at this ! I wish I was rich ! It makes your mouth water. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rainbow-PCGS-MS-65-BU-1967-Great-Britain-1-2-Penny-Unc-Top-Grade-391/223267471542?hash=item33fbc740b6:g:ElAAAOSwEwhb7Orn 4 Quote
Coppers Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 Bernie, More likely it's your eyes that are watering... link Quote
ozjohn Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 On 11/30/2018 at 6:27 AM, terrysoldpennies said: I was having another good look at the pictures of this New type 1847 with no colons after REG, and noticed that instead of a gown with the elaborate lace neck line, which you find on all the other reverse Victorian copper types. This one has what looks like a Gorget breastplate , with the embossed head of Medusa set into the centre , its difficult to be sure though as it could be a chainmail neck piece with the embossed head of Medusa on a solid piece of metal set into the chainmail . Small breastplates like this were used on armour going back as far as the Romans, and has been used for decoration on some military uniforms right up to the present day . Pictured below is a Gorget worn be the German Military Police during the WW2, which I think looks remarkably similar to Britanniar's neck piece on this newly found type. Similar items were given to trusted Aboriginals in the colonial days. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_breastplate Quote
terrysoldpennies Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 That smaller symbolic type Gorget shown in the picture you posted John was worn as part of cavalry officers uniforms throughout the 18th and 19th century Quote
ozjohn Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 That's correct. However they were bestowed on Aboriginals who were of merit. Quote
terrysoldpennies Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 Yes indeed , unlike officers who got it because of there birth status.!!! Quote
PWA 1967 Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 1909 F169 The one that went unsold in the last LCA. Edited December 20, 2018 by PWA 1967 8 Quote
1949threepence Posted January 12, 2019 Posted January 12, 2019 I'm referring directly to Page 426 of Peck, and specifically to BM1699 - an 1874H (Freeman 73). What is the general opinion on the "grained edge" referred to (as extremely rare) by Peck? Are these a myth? Or if they do exist, were they elaborately tooled, post minting? At the back of my mind I seem to remember that Freeman mentioned them in his 1970 edition, but dropped them for the 1985 one. 1 Quote
PWA 1967 Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, 1949threepence said: I'm referring directly to Page 426 of Peck, and specifically to BM1699 - an 1874H (Freeman 73). What is the general opinion on the "grained edge" referred to (as extremely rare) by Peck? Are these a myth? Or if they do exist, were they elaborately tooled, post minting? At the back of my mind I seem to remember that Freeman mentioned them in his 1970 edition, but dropped them for the 1985 one. I am sure i have read the edge was put on PM and therefore not intentional ,not done at the mint.. Although sorry Mike i cant point you to a reference as cant remember where i read it...... if i did ☺️ Edited January 13, 2019 by PWA 1967 Quote
1949threepence Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, PWA 1967 said: I am sure i have read the edge was put on PM and therefore not intentional ,not done at the mint.. Although sorry Mike i cant point you to a reference as cant remember were i read it...... if i did ☺️ Thanks Pete. I vaguely recall reading the same at some point, but also can't remember where or when. Several years ago at least. Quote
secret santa Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 10 hours ago, 1949threepence said: I'm referring directly to Page 426 of Peck, and specifically to BM1699 - an 1874H (Freeman 73). What is the general opinion on the "grained edge" referred to (as extremely rare) by Peck? Are these a myth? Or if they do exist, were they elaborately tooled, post minting? Interesting that Peck doesn't include an obverse type for this coin - a typo ? 1 Quote
Mr T Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 11 hours ago, 1949threepence said: I'm referring directly to Page 426 of Peck, and specifically to BM1699 - an 1874H (Freeman 73). What is the general opinion on the "grained edge" referred to (as extremely rare) by Peck? Are these a myth? Or if they do exist, were they elaborately tooled, post minting? At the back of my mind I seem to remember that Freeman mentioned them in his 1970 edition, but dropped them for the 1985 one. Yes I remember in one of his books he decided they were done post-mint - must be the latest edition because I remember them being in the tallies in his first book. 1 Quote
secret santa Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr T said: Yes I remember in one of his books he decided they were done post-mint - must be the latest edition because I remember them being in the tallies in his first book. Excerpt from Freeman 1970 attached. He recorded it as F75 2 Quote
PWA 1967 Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 Yes it says in the Second edition of Freeman. "Since the last edition was published the Royal Mint has obtained an electron microscope which enabled the conclusion to be reached that all Bronze with a grained edge had received them after leaving the mint " 3 Quote
1949threepence Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 7 hours ago, secret santa said: Interesting that Peck doesn't include an obverse type for this coin - a typo ? Yes, I noticed that Richard. Curious. 7 hours ago, Mr T said: Yes I remember in one of his books he decided they were done post-mint - must be the latest edition because I remember them being in the tallies in his first book. 4 hours ago, secret santa said: Excerpt from Freeman 1970 attached. He recorded it as F75 51 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said: Yes it says in the Second edition of Freeman. "Since the last edition was published the Royal Mint has obtained an electron microscope which enabled the conclusion to be reached that all Bronze with a grained edge had received them after leaving the mint " Thanks Gents - very useful info and much appreciated. Quote
PWA 1967 Posted February 1, 2019 Posted February 1, 2019 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MILLED-EDGE-GEORGE-V-PENNY-COIN-1916-RARE/352575682858?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 I bought this as a curiosity the other day and the seller sent me a letter with it. The owner at the time had sent the coin to the Daily telegraph i suppose due to no computers for pictures etc and hadnt thought of sending it to the Royal Mint. They must of thought putting it in the paper that they could get a few quid for it. Needless to say within there reply on the 2nd july 1969 they said we dont have a clue why it has a milled edge Quote
1949threepence Posted February 1, 2019 Posted February 1, 2019 1 hour ago, PWA 1967 said: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MILLED-EDGE-GEORGE-V-PENNY-COIN-1916-RARE/352575682858?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 I bought this as a curiosity the other day and the seller sent me a letter with it. The owner at the time had sent the coin to the Daily telegraph i suppose due to no computers for pictures etc and hadnt thought of sending it to the Royal Mint. They must of thought putting it in the paper that they could get a few quid for it. Needless to say within there reply on the 2nd july 1969 they said we dont have a clue why it has a milled edge Interesting. Have you got a photo of the letter, Pete? Quote
terrysoldpennies Posted February 1, 2019 Posted February 1, 2019 Back in the 1950s one of my uncles was a printing machine engineer who had the use of a multitude of heavy engineering tools , such as lathes, milling machines etc. and he made all sorts of things , one of which I still have , a two piece male / female metal eye punch, still I must say quite use full , anyway I was a small boy then. and we were talking about how the milling found around a two shilling piece was made. Well he said ow that's easy , I could do that to a penny on a machine at work in no time, well I forgot all about it , and some weeks later when I was again at his house he came out with it. I don't know what became of it , I guess he gave it to his son, and you never know it my be the one in your hands now Pete Quote
PWA 1967 Posted February 1, 2019 Posted February 1, 2019 Yes Terry or the 1901 that sold for £180+ LCA The Elstree collection 😮 I have mailed you the letter Mike although nothing exciting. Quote
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