1818 Lix Tvtamen Error Crown ,highest Graded Example...

[Gary]

and the rest

[Peckris]

Sorry, I was talking about pictures of your 1887 crown (which has a milled edge, I think?) - do you have pictures of the edge/rim/teeth for that, which would help determine if it's a proof?

[Bibbobmcguyver]

I'll get some the next time there's good sunlight and post em straight away.

Chews

Tony

[Garrett]

I'll get some the next time there's good sunlight.

lol

sorry. Carry on !

[just.me]

Hi guys,

Newbie her, Tony is me, please feel free to introduce yourselves . Just wanted to ask how would you find out the 'finest known' of the 1818 LIX TUTAMEN error coin? The info must be out there somewhere?

Cheers

T

Hi, which error are you meaning? The unbarred A in Tutamen?

The error edge listed in the catalogues on the 1818 Crown is on the LVIII edge and has the wording in the wrong order. D.A.R.E.T.L.as opposed to D.E.T.A.R.L.

Rayner, Davies nor Coincraft mention an error on the edge of the 1818 LIX

Are you the seller of the coin here?

http://www.adverts.ie/coins-notes/investment-coin-extremely-rare-1818-tutamen-error-crown-sterling-silver-coin-in-near-mint-state/2671714

[Bibbobmcguyver]

Hi,

Yes that's the one, listed in Spink '1818 LIX TUTAMEN ERROR'. Strange it isn't I'm your reference books!! Maybe it is that rare.

And yes that's my listing.

Cheers

T

[just.me]

Hi,

Hi,
Yes that's the one, listed in Spink '1818 LIX TUTAMEN ERROR'. Strange it isn't I'm your reference books!! Maybe it is that rare.
And yes that's my listing.
Cheers
T

Hi, it might depend when the variety was found, Davies was published in 1982, Rayner 1992 and Coincraft 2000. The mentioned reference books list unique patterns, off metal strikes as well as standard issues and varieties etc, so its not not in them because it is that rare. Its maybe because it is only a filled bar to the A or an inverted V? There are so many of these small error varieties in all denominations that don't get catalogued in the main catalogues. Its still a very nice condition, scarce error, but nothing like as sought after as a LVIII error edge. I would think it would command a small premium above the standard coin..

A quick search on Google and there are several that have been sold in the past half dozen years that were listed with the variety, this will give you a price comparison to a standard version.

London Coins sale 116, 03/03/07 lot 779, cleaned GVF £120

DNW 18/06/09 lot 413 £230

DNW 24/09/08 lot 3224 £170 toned EF

Rendal Ingram has one on his site GEF plugged pinholes on edge £275

Kleeford Coin Auctions 20/09/13 lot 143 £95

Buckscoins also had one a while back

Do Spink not list prices? or give a rarity level? I don't have a Spink catalogue to check.

Are you by any chance Bob.Phillips? http://www.predecimal.com/forum/user/501-bobphillips/?tab=topics this variety was asked about a good while back on the forum and then re-visited again here http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/6254-coin-varieties/#entry57578

[just.me]

R Ingram also has an aunc one priced at £950 http://www.ringramcoins.com/english_coins_antique_coins_catalogue.shtml his photo links don't seem to be working at the moment.

[Bibbobmcguyver]

Hi, guys,

Spink has a valuation of £350 in VF, nothing above.

I'm not bob Phillips, I'll look up your link ... But I too have checked ingrams and the link isn't working.

Cheers for your help.

Tony

[TomGoodheart]

Humpf, thanks for your help guys , kinda PO'ed as I think I have the finest and know that it's value would be elevated by being recognised as such ( Spink has no valuation above VF , but being 'top pop' in a population of one is kinda deflating!

Sorry I couldn't stick a better pic up as they are all too big, but as you can see from by profile pic...it's rather good.

Baldwins have said they haven't seen one sold in 10 years and with my best pics have put it in the "GEF or a touch higher" category, so MS 60-65 ish.

Cheers

T

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[goomolique]

Hi guys,

Newbie her, Tony is me, please feel free to introduce yourselves . Just wanted to ask how would you find out the 'finest known' of the 1818 LIX TUTAMEN error coin? The info must be out there somewhere?

Cheers

T

Hi, which error are you meaning? The unbarred A in Tutamen?

The error edge listed in the catalogues on the 1818 Crown is on the LVIII edge and has the wording in the wrong order. D.A.R.E.T.L.as opposed to D.E.T.A.R.L.

Rayner, Davies nor Coincraft mention an error on the edge of the 1818 LIX

Are you the seller of the coin here?

http://www.adverts.ie/coins-notes/investment-coin-extremely-rare-1818-tutamen-error-crown-sterling-silver-coin-in-near-mint-state/2671714

Yea looks like it.

[Bibbobmcguyver]

Hi guys ,

Pics of 1887 crown milling...

[Bibbobmcguyver]

Having problems with pics , have to do one at a time ,1887 proof rev

T

[Bibbobmcguyver]

1887 proof rev

[Bibbobmcguyver]

And obv..

[Nick]

And obv..

Not easy to see the proofness of the fields in a photograph, but the rims and edge look exactly like those expected on proofs.

[Accumulator]

It's refreshing to see someone using cotton gloves (I always do). Well done! Very sharp edges and milling.

[Peckris]

The quality of the milling and beading (border teeth) are good enough to be of a proof. It's not definitive of course, but my verdict would be more in favour of it's being a proof than not.

[Bibbobmcguyver]

Thanks again,

I haven't got an oblique yet, bus the slight frosting of the effigy is absent ... But as mentioned it has been cleaned.

Cheers

T

[Red Riley]

Think I got the wrong error edge in my earlier post. Worth nothing like what I said, perhaps not much more than the standard issue. V for A or bar blocks up on die is common to many coins.