will1976 Posted April 28, 2020 Posted April 28, 2020 Latest purchase......this leaves just one in the Birmingham series to find. This piece is ex Jan collection 4 Quote
JLS Posted April 28, 2020 Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, will1976 said: Latest purchase......this leaves just one in the Birmingham series to find. This piece is ex Jan collection Very nice ! Interesting to see the contemporary context of the Workhouse on the street (vs. how it's portrayed on the workhouse's own 19th century tokens) - assuming the two buildings either side of it are not part of the enlargement... Quote
rooneydog Posted April 28, 2020 Posted April 28, 2020 Just looking through stuff I put away a few years ago and came across 1788 Imitation Spade Guinea by Wilmore Alston & Co and wondered if it was rare as cannot seem to find another on the internet, do not have BHM but did find a 1/2 guinea. Quote
will1976 Posted April 28, 2020 Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, JLS said: Interesting to see the contemporary context of the Workhouse on the street I'm assuming the buildings on the left and right are nothing to do with the work house as the token is from the late 1790's and they're not depicted on the 1812 tokens I've seen. If they where part of the enlargement surely they would of been included on the later tokens? Quote
JLS Posted April 28, 2020 Posted April 28, 2020 47 minutes ago, rooneydog said: Just looking through stuff I put away a few years ago and came across 1788 Imitation Spade Guinea by Wilmore Alston & Co and wondered if it was rare as cannot seem to find another on the internet, do not have BHM but did find a 1/2 guinea. Yes, this is a relatively early imitation spade guinea and fairly rare; listed by Neilson as number 2960. I wouldn't rate the value much in that grade as you do get nice ones with original gilding occasionally, but it's not an easy piece to find. Quote
JLS Posted April 28, 2020 Posted April 28, 2020 24 minutes ago, will1976 said: I'm assuming the buildings on the left and right are nothing to do with the work house as the token is from the late 1790's and they're not depicted on the 1812 tokens I've seen. If they where part of the enlargement surely they would of been included on the later tokens? Not so sure about that as I've seen several "idealized" pictures of the workhouse corresponding just to the buildings on 1812 tokens from far later...by the Victorian period the complex was enormous. I may have a bit more of a research. Quote
rooneydog Posted April 28, 2020 Posted April 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, JLS said: Yes, this is a relatively early imitation spade guinea and fairly rare; listed by Neilson as number 2960. I wouldn't rate the value much in that grade as you do get nice ones with original gilding occasionally, but it's not an easy piece to find. Thank you - I thought it was contemporary after reading an article from BNJ 1. Contemporaneous issues. These retained the official designs and legends and bore genuine dates of issue corresponding to those of the actual coins, viz. 1787-97 and from one issuer 1798. About a dozen Birmingham firms struck and issued them, and in most cases signed them with names or initials (which were their own1 —not the bogus initials found on the 'evasion' counterfeit halfpennies and farthings made during this period). Most were of brass. To avoid confusion with the gold prototypes, some had scalloped edges or were undersized and/or made of copper. Quote
JLS Posted April 28, 2020 Posted April 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, rooneydog said: Thank you - I thought it was contemporary after reading an article from BNJ 1. Contemporaneous issues. These retained the official designs and legends and bore genuine dates of issue corresponding to those of the actual coins, viz. 1787-97 and from one issuer 1798. About a dozen Birmingham firms struck and issued them, and in most cases signed them with names or initials (which were their own1 —not the bogus initials found on the 'evasion' counterfeit halfpennies and farthings made during this period). Most were of brass. To avoid confusion with the gold prototypes, some had scalloped edges or were undersized and/or made of copper. Yes, you're right, it's part of the "first series" along with the Kettle issues etc. I don't know if it would have actually been struck in 1788 or a few years after, but it definitely is Georgian rather than Victorian. Quote
will1976 Posted April 28, 2020 Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, JLS said: Not so sure about that as I've seen several "idealized" pictures of the workhouse corresponding just to the buildings on 1812 tokens from far later...by the Victorian period the complex was enormous. I may have a bit more of a research. The trouble for me at the moment is that with living at work I have none of my books to hand to look things up. I could very well be wrong but have no way of checking! Quote
Paulus Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 Blimey, well done, which one have you still to acquire? I have a few still to get, including the Workhouse one. I've just upgraded my St Martin's Church example: 4 Quote
secret santa Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 That's a lovely example, John - is it a new acquisition ? Quote
Chingford Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, secret santa said: That's a lovely example, John - is it a new acquisition ? This year, slabbed MS64, PWA did the image but free for you to use Quote
Danelaw Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 £6,200 for a Carrickfergus token? Estimated at £300. Quote
Diaconis Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Danelaw said: £6,200 for a Carrickfergus token? Estimated at £300. Are you selling? Quote
will1976 Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 A new unlisted unofficial farthing variety which landed today. I believe it relates to the famous gun makers Holland & Holland but I'm yet to research properly. Thoughts and comments welcome 4 Quote
will1976 Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 On 5/1/2020 at 9:58 AM, Paulus said: Blimey, well done, which one have you still to acquire? I have a few still to get, including the Workhouse one. Apologies Paulus for some reason I either didn't get a notification or I missed it, only just read your post. The only one I needed back in May was the Soho Manufactory which I bought last week from Paul Green at Holgate Numismatics (very friendly) It was in a group of 6 he bought from Spink, I'm not sure which others he has but might be worth contacting him Quote
JLS Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, will1976 said: A new unlisted unofficial farthing variety which landed today. I believe it relates to the famous gun makers Holland & Holland but I'm yet to research properly. Thoughts and comments welcome As a keen collector of the Birmingham series....WOW ! Diameter ? White's 1849 Directory of Birmingham, p. 182, "Holland, Henry, gun and pistol maker, 21 Steelhouse Lane". The Henry Holland of Holland and Holland was, according to Wikipedia, only apprenticed in 1861, so possibly this piece is unrelated. Quote
will1976 Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, JLS said: As a keen collector of the Birmingham series....WOW ! Diameter ? White's 1849 Directory of Birmingham, p. 182, "Holland, Henry, gun and pistol maker, 21 Steelhouse Lane". The Henry Holland of Holland and Holland was, according to Wikipedia, only apprenticed in 1861, so possibly this piece is unrelated. It's 24mm diameter so one of the larger ones in the series. Milled edge. It does seem unlikely that it is related to Holland & Holland on further thought as Harris Holland sounded quite controlling according to the Wikipedia article. Also an article in the 'Vintage Gun Journal' https://www.vintageguns.co.uk/magazine/a-harris-holland-restored gives a start date for the apprenticeship as 1876. It also poses the question of why Henry Holland is on the token not Holland & Holland Quote
will1976 Posted June 26, 2020 Posted June 26, 2020 Another new addition, possibly an unlisted unofficial farthing but unsure on this one. If it is it must be one of the last few issued date wise. 21½mm diameter and quite thick at 2mm, appears to be cupro-nickel. The Reverse is a similar version of the the Remington typewriter token Quote
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