Counterfiet coins being produced in China

[Peckris]

It's a pity you can't bookmark individual threads here - you can with other forums using different software. Unless you can, and I haven't found out how you do it?

You can always create a shortcut to any given thread, of course. That will last as long as the device you've shortcutted it to.

It's a pity you can't see further back than your previous 5 posts though.

I also remember that 1905 shilling thread which Coinery mentioned.

True - but if it's a post on "Latest acquisitions" or "eBay laughs", that's NOT going to be much help!! It would be nice, once in this forum, to be able to dive back and forward among bookmarked threads of interest.

[TomGoodheart]

Chris, an appeal to you...can we have a separate 'link,' or whatever the correct terminology is for it, akin to the 'new varieties' section, where known fakes can be posted under sub-divisions, Elizabeth I, George III, etc.,

With what fakers can and do produce these days it's time we start to talk about it more. we need to get to know what they are and have faked.

Well, in the meantime there is forgerynetwork.com .. http://www.forgerynetwork.com// Anyone can register and add details if they want.

[Gary]

I think we can add another fake to look out for. What do the rest of you think?

1864 Florin

[Coinery]

I think we can add another fake to look out for. What do the rest of you think?

1864 Florin

Hi Gary,

I can't really make very much out from the image quality, apart from the obvious 'patchy tone'! Any more information to go with it?

[Gary]

I think we can add another fake to look out for. What do the rest of you think?

1864 Florin

Hi Gary,

I can't really make very much out from the image quality, apart from the obvious 'patchy tone'! Any more information to go with it?

If you click on the link you will see the Ebay listing on the german Ebay. It is from a chinese seller and the description is in english. A Buy It now price of €79. The listing has now ended with no takers

[Coinery]

I think we can add another fake to look out for. What do the rest of you think?

1864 Florin

Hi Gary,

I can't really make very much out from the image quality, apart from the obvious 'patchy tone'! Any more information to go with it?

If you click on the link you will see the Ebay listing on the german Ebay. It is from a chinese seller and the description is in english. A Buy It now price of €79. The listing has now ended with no takers

A shame though that we can't see it close up and paw over it for the reassurance of all!

[interNumi]

Hello!

I met one on a Russian coins site.

The same dot over A in "of a pound" and thicker N in "tenth".

Obviously it is a forgery:

 

 

[interNumi]

[Rob]

Good. Keep your eyes open. The relief detail is usually thicker and less sharp than a genuine piece. Additionally, in the case of those with die numbers, the population of these increases disproportionately relative to the other die numbers, so in this case there was an increase in die number 64s.

 

[interNumi]

May be it was made from this original coin:

http://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-victoria-gothic-florin-1864-/a/3009-21801.s

 

[azda]

2 hours ago, interNumi said:

May be it was made from this original coin:

http://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-victoria-gothic-florin-1864-/a/3009-21801.s

 

Ahhhhh hello internumi..... I don't think ist was made from the HA linked coin, The braid detail is quite sharp on that one compared to The one you uploaded

[interNumi]

Hello! Look at the eyebrow and the second pearl from a cross on the crown. They have the same damages, which was hand-made, not during a minting process. Also I can see some other similar scratches.

Edited July 7, 2016 by interNumi

[interNumi]

Btw, just to be clear - I think "Chinese fakers" could buy a good coin (not so expensive and 100% original) from the HA. And used this coin as a model to produce fake dies.

[azda]

I'll leave this here to compare, lots of various dings on the HA coin that aren't on the one you have, can you upload a larger size picture?

 

[azda]

12 minutes ago, interNumi said:

Btw, just to be clear - I think "Chinese fakers" could buy a good coin (not so expensive and 100% original) from the HA. And used this coin as a model to produce fake dies.

I think the problem with this is that they have already used a lower grade die 64 for faking, there is a thread somewhere on this specific coin with links i believe, the HA coin is in much higher grade than the one you've shown

Edited July 7, 2016 by azda

[azda]

The REV of the HA coin, my other assumption on this is that the Chinese wouldn't buy a high grade coin only to make it look so worn, they'll buy a coin and use that coin as the specific template so they can sell for a good price and when they're finished with it would sell the original, they'd also have to slab it again

 

[interNumi]

Sure HA coin has much higher grade. The higher grade the more attention to a coin, so it is much easier to sell 10 VF fake coins instead of one in XF or even higher.

And it is very easy to turn XF to VF.

 

[interNumi]

It is better to worn down a coin from AU to VF, then strike VF from the beginning. It would look more natural.

[azda]

1 minute ago, interNumi said:

It is better to worn down a coin from AU to VF, then strike VF from the beginning. It would look more natural.

Of course it can be worn down, wearing down a nick on a pearl or high point can make it look a different coin, but on The HA coin there is a Depression inside The braid loop which couldn't be worn away, they take an exact image, there's also other depression and nicks on the HA coin but not on yours. I'm not convinced they are The same 

[interNumi]

True, I have seen on a big screen, you 99% right, however few doubts can't leave me.

 

[interNumi]

[interNumi]

Sorry - need to post each photo in a new post

Edited July 7, 2016 by interNumi

[Flash]

I make a point of reporting every Chinese fake on eBay I see. These are primarily the things with badly worded titles from sellers with very few feedback and are predominantly copies of Chinese coins or Trade Dollars. I am starting to note a decline in listing numbers so if everyone did it.....

[interNumi]

[interNumi]

And the first photo of that florin in this theme - the same scratches! So it could be copies from an HA's coin.