Ebay's Worst Offerings

[davidrj]

1869 dates are generally well alligned (unlike say 1860s) and the obverse is generally correct for 1860-74. The normal trick is to lower the entire exergue and the 'fuzz' around the 1 and the 8 seem to bear this out. The only logical numeral to change is the 9 but this actually looks better than the 6. I'm at a loss.

both my 1869 have normal well aligned dates - this one jumped at me when I first saw it - a very odd coin - the 6 is strange to say the least and the 9 appeears to have lost its tail - I think both numerals have been replaced.

now at £16 with 9 days to go, too expensive for me to satisfy my curiosity

"On 24-Nov-09 at 16:42:44 GMT, seller added the following information:

I have been informed that this coin could be a fogery as the 9 is to high in the date. Any bids may be retracted if you think this is the case. see close up photo of the date"

went up tp £104 but now £77 interesting to see where it ends up

Finished at £184.99 so obviously some folk liked it

[Peckris]

Finished at £184.99 so obviously some folk liked it

Hm, I'd much rather have paid £200 for that really fine fake 1933 that was on there a few weeks back.

[Gary D]

I don't know if this is an ebay laugh, someone been sold a pup or a scam.

1935 proof

There's just so much wrong with this one. He starts off calling it a pattern (proof) the picture shows an incuse so it's not a pattern, the pattern has raised edge text. He then goes on to give it a Rayner number 337A rarity of R6 3-5 known, well R6 is 3-4 known. So it seems he's not really sure if it's a 377 at 5-10 or 377A at 3-4. He then goes on to talk about Edward VIII, ok no way of disputing this but the clincher is that the coin has the wrong reverse for either a 377 or 377A. It should be a 1+B and the coin shown is a normal 1+A. Wonder if by chance he's got hold of a specimen issue which are a bit proof-like.

Gary

[Rob]

It's the one from the last Morton & Eden sale (lot 263) where it was catalogued as a proof. Didn't see it though so wouldn't like to say. The provenance suggests it could possibly be a proof because if the future King doesn't get one, then who would, even if it doesn't have the raised edge? But given it was polished we will probably never know.

The lot description says "The edge lettering on this piece is finer & less deeply impressed than that found on circulating coins and it could be argued that the coin is therefore, strictly speaking, a pattern.

Provenance: Christies Rome 17th June 2004, lot 605 and formerly the property of Edward, Duke of Windsor. It is likely that the Duke, as Prince of Wales, would have received such as coin and the cleaning which it has undergone is typical of many of the pieces in his collection.

Edited December 11, 2009 by Rob

[Peter]

Looks like it went for £5k in the Morton & Eden auction

[VickySilver]

That is just not enough different from an especially well struck & preserved specimen crown of the date for me. I mean really, SLIGHTLY finer lettering less fully impressed command prices 10,000 % higher? I think not (at least for me), and this is coming for someone who for some reason loves the 20th C. crown series & even has an ESC 377. This would require a specific gravity test to confirm 377 vs. 377A status.

Provenance? Who cares? I mean is there HRH DNA on it? Picture with him holding it. It would be interesting to see the text of the catalogue on this lot, Rob are you with us?

[Rob]

Text for the M&E catalogue was copied verbatim in the previous post. I don't have a copy of the Christies Rome sale.

[Gary D]

Well, I'm still not convinced. B&M, Christies Rome. What's it doing on ebay

20th Centry Crowns are my favourite series in my collection also. The best I can do for 1935 is a Davies 1652.

Gary

Edited December 11, 2009 by Gary D

[Rob]

Well, I'm still not convinced. B&M, Christies Rome. What's it doing on ebay

20th Centry Crowns are my favourite series in my collection also. The best I can do for 1935 is a Davies 1652.

Gary

Presumably Guy Newson bought it at the M&E sale. He's been spending a lot of money in the London sales of late. Much if not all of what he buys resurfaces on ebay.

Edited December 11, 2009 by Rob

[Peckris]

That is just not enough different from an especially well struck & preserved specimen crown of the date for me. I mean really, SLIGHTLY finer lettering less fully impressed command prices 10,000 % higher? I think not (at least for me), and this is coming for someone who for some reason loves the 20th C. crown series & even has an ESC 377. This would require a specific gravity test to confirm 377 vs. 377A status.

Provenance? Who cares? I mean is there HRH DNA on it? Picture with him holding it. It would be interesting to see the text of the catalogue on this lot, Rob are you with us?

Yeah. I used to have a raised edge proof which I got from Warwick&Warwick. But tbh, I auctioned it on as there wasn't enough to distinguish it from the currency piece (apart from the raised edge). This one doesn't even have the raised edge to mark it out. And with the R.E.P. fetching less than £300, it's hard to justify the stratospheric price for this one. As for provenance, who's bothered to acquire a coin once owned by a playboy Nazi?

[davidrj]

This one amused me

1860 error mistrike

[Peckris]

This one amused me

1860 error mistrike

LOL - but ... £2.29?? It wasn't so long ago that you could pick up an 1869 CD for that!

[Red Riley]

Ask him if it's a toothed or beaded border. Go on, I dare you!

[thedigger]

This one amused me

1860 error mistrike

:lol: I have one or two or more, just like that but not in as good as condition of the sellers?

This is my first time reading this part of the forum and ive got to say that you people certainly know your stuff

I mean some of the information that you have picked up on for eg:

That is just not enough different from an especially well struck & preserved specimen crown of the date for me. I mean really, SLIGHTLY finer lettering less fully impressed command prices 10,000 % higher? I think not (at least for me), and this is coming for someone who for some reason loves the 20th C. crown series & even has an ESC 377. This would require a specific gravity test to confirm 377 vs. 377A status.

and then

Presumably Guy Newson bought it at the M&E sale. He's been spending a lot of money in the London sales of late. Much if not all of what he buys resurfaces on ebay.

He means nothing to me but obviously someone within the coin world you are all aware of.

Before i started to ramble on i wanted to ask about this:

There have been a number of mentions of the 1p and the price of £10,000

Now im not stupid, 44 yrs old got my eyes wide open to many things ..but i just cant get my head around the "Coup" that these people are trying to pull..and it seems to some extent many people are falling for it?

Nope i just dont get this...the scams normally jump out at me .

Anyway this part of the forum has been great reading..cheers

[Peckris]

Before i started to ramble on i wanted to ask about this:

There have been a number of mentions of the 1p and the price of £10,000

Now im not stupid, 44 yrs old got my eyes wide open to many things ..but i just cant get my head around the "Coup" that these people are trying to pull..and it seems to some extent many people are falling for it?

Nope i just dont get this...the scams normally jump out at me .

Anyway this part of the forum has been great reading..cheers

If it's the one I think you mean, then it's a good-humoured joke - if you read it right through, you can see the guy is not being totally serious, and it gave me a laugh. I actually complimented him on his style in eBay and he gave me a knowing wink back, so I'm guessing he is just having a laugh, and it will raise his profile perhaps.

[azda]

A nice coin for sale on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...e=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[Rob]

A nice coin for sale on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...e=STRK:MEWAX:IT

It has a lot of marks in the obverse field. The rim bruise at 6 o'clock could also mean that it has been mounted previously. The images aren't good enough to assess its value or whether it is worth having as a collectable piece.

[azda]

Never noticed that initally, well spotted, i've emailed the seller to ask, there's also a rim bruise at 9 oclock ;-)

[azda]

For anyone into their error coins, but beware, it is very expensive.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Unique-Mint-error-Georg...=item45f053c319

[Peckris]

For anyone into their error coins, but beware, it is very expensive.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Unique-Mint-error-Georg...=item45f053c319

I'm not convinced about the errors, though that certainly does look like an 8 underneath. It's actually a very nice crown, lovely plumage toning (some scuffing at closer inspection) - but even at half the price he's asking I'd still be very hesitant.

[Rob]

Presumably this is the same piece as lot 258 in the last DNW sale. Estimate £900-1200 but unsold. The description - "Some light surfacce scratches on obverse, otherwise extremely fine, the edge errors apparently unpublished".

[Peckris]

Presumably this is the same piece as lot 258 in the last DNW sale. Estimate £900-1200 but unsold. The description - "Some light surfacce scratches on obverse, otherwise extremely fine, the edge errors apparently unpublished".

And just looking at the way the seller is holding it in the first 2 photos doesn't exactly add to confidence, does it?

[Peter]

Over the last few years the seller has had some nice coins

You can always chance something like this on Ebay...plenty of mugs out there.

[azda]

Is it me being a bit fussy or is this really an EF?

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160399302435

Edited January 29, 2010 by azda

[Peter]

Is it me being a bit fussy or is this really an EF?

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160399302435

Its close..a very good GVF or NEF...the eye appeal shouts EF prices