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I doubt it but will this add any premium to a otherwise normal coin?

 

Thanks.

[Rob]

Only if it was struck on a rectangular blank, like yours. 

Edited Thursday at 02:00 PM by Rob

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9 minutes ago, Rob said:

Only if it was struck on a rectangular blank, like yours. 

Are you bored again Rob?

[terrysoldpennies]

 I can only real talk about my observations on copper or bronze pennies, as that is my major interest . I find that over stamped letters/ numbers are extremely common on coins up to about 1863 though some can still be seen through to the 20th century . The last I think being 1945.  The ones that are of interest to me and I would guess a lot of collectors are the ones that are dramatically out of place or triple struck .  Some examples below

 

Triple struck Y quite sort after , note the G and D overstruck but of little interest 

 

Here's Y over Y dramatically out of place

 

8 over 8 

 

And just look at this one !!

 

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2 hours ago, Rob said:

Only if it was struck on a rectangular blank, like yours. 

I was under the impression this forum is for educational purposes. A genuine coin related question IMO is worthy of a relevant response.

For you and any other's please just scroll past if you are not capable of keeping it informative/educational. 

 

 

[secret santa]

3 hours ago, absence of uniformity said:

I doubt it but will this add any premium to a otherwise normal coin?

Honest answer - absolutely not.

[absence of uniformity]

1 hour ago, terrysoldpennies said:

 I can only real talk about my observations on copper or bronze pennies, as that is my major interest . I find that over stamped letters/ numbers are extremely common on coins up to about 1863 though some can still be seen through to the 20th century . The last I think being 1945.  The ones that are of interest to me and I would guess a lot of collectors are the ones that are dramatically out of place or triple struck .  Some examples below

 

Triple struck Y quite sort after , note the G and D overstruck but of little interest 

 

Here's Y over Y dramatically out of place

 

8 over 8 

 

And just look at this one !!

 

Excellent thank you for taking the time to explain this. Makes perfect sense.

[absence of uniformity]

3 minutes ago, secret santa said:

Honest answer - absolutely not.

Ok thanks.

[copper123]

there are a few where a small ish premium can be gained the 1850 farthing 5 over much lower 5 comes to mind 

[Citizen H]

4 hours ago, terrysoldpennies said:

 I can only real talk about my observations on copper or bronze pennies, as that is my major interest . I find that over stamped letters/ numbers are extremely common on coins up to about 1863 though some can still be seen through to the 20th century . The last I think being 1945.  The ones that are of interest to me and I would guess a lot of collectors are the ones that are dramatically out of place or triple struck .  Some examples below

 

Triple struck Y quite sort after , note the G and D overstruck but of little interest 

 

Here's Y over Y dramatically out of place

 

8 over 8 

 

And just look at this one !!

 

I guess seeing some of these for the first time its a rarity, working through my hoard and seeing double stamped and clashes for the first time I get this feeling "Wow Ive found a rarity!" ........moving on I've calmed with education.... Still is is great to see these and find them...  👍 

[Coinery]

4 hours ago, absence of uniformity said:

I was under the impression this forum is for educational purposes. A genuine coin related question IMO is worthy of a relevant response.

For you and any other's please just scroll past if you are not capable of keeping it informative/educational. 

 

 

With all due respect to Rob, I too have noticed that he’s coming over as being a little less tolerant than usual…I think this could be, in part, on account of the gulf between his knowledge and the cerebral challenges he getting on this forum nowadays, if ever, to be fair!

Top tip, though…as infirm, elderly, decrepit, grey, miserable and grumpy as he may be…he’ll be worth much more to your numismatic journey onside 😉

 

 

[absence of uniformity]

43 minutes ago, Coinery said:

With all due respect to Rob, I too have noticed that he’s coming over as being a little less tolerant than usual…I think this could be, in part, on account of the gulf between his knowledge and the cerebral challenges he getting on this forum nowadays, if ever, to be fair!

Top tip, though…as infirm, elderly, decrepit, grey, miserable and grumpy as he may be…he’ll be worth much more to your numismatic journey onside 😉

 

 

In respect to this post tolerant of what?  It's a valid question I asked is it not? It's not about making sides/ brown nosing. Im going to say it how it is. This is a public forum, keep it amicable or 🤐

[absence of uniformity]

2 hours ago, Citizen H said:

I guess seeing some of these for the first time its a rarity, working through my hoard and seeing double stamped and clashes for the first time I get this feeling "Wow Ive found a rarity!" ........moving on I've calmed with education.... Still is is great to see these and find them...  👍 

I started the question with I doubt it.. So no seeing these for the first time I wasnt classing it as a rarity rather simply asking the question for confirmation out of interest if nothing else.

[Coinery]

Your call, m’friend! Though I could argue that, in the context of this post alone,  Rob’s comment appeared very much tongue-in-cheek to me? That’s how I interpreted the bandit emoticon at least?

[absence of uniformity]

Whatever.  Rob be onside or dont couldnt give a monkey's. 

Edited Thursday at 10:18 PM by absence of uniformity

[absence of uniformity]

13 minutes ago, Coinery said:

Your call, m’friend! Though I could argue that, in the context of this post alone,  Rob’s comment appeared very much tongue-in-cheek to me? That’s how I interpreted the bandit emoticon at least?

Since I have been accused/suspected of being dishonest and or a liar here my back is up. I'm just passionate about my new interest. Sorry if that's intolerable.

Edited Thursday at 10:24 PM by absence of uniformity

[Rob]

Calm down everyone, nobody is accusing anyone of dishonesty or lying, or any any other form of undesirable attribute. It is a friendly forum, though I do seem to offend occasionally - not intentionally, but we are who we are and I might be a bit set in my ways to change. As Coinery wrote, it was intended as tongue in cheek, as a perusal of my similar previous posts with a similar emoticon would lead you to infer. 

All questions are valid, but with multiple questions on the doubling of characters already asked on this forum and replied to ad nauseum, I assumed that with over 160 posts, some of a similar nature, you had already explored that search option and done some background reading. A quick search of "doubled OR repunched characters" brings up over 600 posts, so lots of wheels have been reinvented over time. Apologies for any offence caused - it wasn't intentional. I am genuinely harmless, but rushed off my feet of late due to a fortnight in hospital with sepsis causing HMRC filing grief.

And on another apologetic note. I give notice of apologies to Coinery for acquiring the Anchor over Key marked Elizabeth I halfpenny in the recent Noonans sale with the penny anchor punch. I think it might be big enough to fit a 2d, but haven't had time to explore yet. It also has lots of underlying detail from the previous state of the portcullis punch employed, so could be more useful than normal. I will send pics when I have time and probably drop in during the next few weeks if you are around as I have just had a change of tenant in Yeovil, so have to do some repairs. I assume it was on your list of things to acquire.

Edited yesterday at 10:28 AM by Rob

[Coys55]

7 hours ago, Rob said:

Calm down everyone, nobody is accusing anyone of dishonesty or lying, or any any other form of undesirable attribute. It is a friendly forum, though I do seem to offend occasionally - not intentionally, but we are who we are and I might be a bit set in my ways to change. As Coinery wrote, it was intended as tongue in cheek, as a perusal of my similar previous posts with a similar emoticon would lead you to infer. 

All questions are valid, but with multiple questions on the doubling of characters already asked on this forum and replied to ad nauseum, I assumed that with over 160 posts, some of a similar nature, you had already explored that search option and done some background reading. A quick search of "doubled OR repunched characters" brings up over 600 posts, so lots of wheels have been reinvented over time. Apologies for any offence caused - it wasn't intentional. I am genuinely harmless, but rushed off my feet of late due to a fortnight in hospital with sepsis causing HMRC filing grief.

And on another apologetic note. I give notice of apologies to Coinery for acquiring the Anchor over Key marked Elizabeth I halfpenny in the recent Noonans sale with the penny anchor punch. I think it might be big enough to fit a 2d, but haven't had time to explore yet. It also has lots of underlying detail from the previous state of the portcullis punch employed, so could be more useful than normal. I will send pics when I have time and probably drop in during the next few weeks if you are around as I have just had a change of tenant in Yeovil, so have to do some repairs. I assume it was on your list of things to acquire.

If that was my question I would have given that answer a haha, but I guess not everyone shares my sense of humour. 

[absence of uniformity]

9 hours ago, Rob said:

Calm down everyone, nobody is accusing anyone of dishonesty or lying, or any any other form of undesirable attribute. It is a friendly forum, though I do seem to offend occasionally - not intentionally, but we are who we are and I might be a bit set in my ways to change. As Coinery wrote, it was intended as tongue in cheek, as a perusal of my similar previous posts with a similar emoticon would lead you to infer. 

All questions are valid, but with multiple questions on the doubling of characters already asked on this forum and replied to ad nauseum, I assumed that with over 160 posts, some of a similar nature, you had already explored that search option and done some background reading. A quick search of "doubled OR repunched characters" brings up over 600 posts, so lots of wheels have been reinvented over time. Apologies for any offence caused - it wasn't intentional. I am genuinely harmless, but rushed off my feet of late due to a fortnight in hospital with sepsis causing HMRC filing grief.

And on another apologetic note. I give notice of apologies to Coinery for acquiring the Anchor over Key marked Elizabeth I halfpenny in the recent Noonans sale with the penny anchor punch. I think it might be big enough to fit a 2d, but haven't had time to explore yet. It also has lots of underlying detail from the previous state of the portcullis punch employed, so could be more useful than normal. I will send pics when I have time and probably drop in during the next few weeks if you are around as I have just had a change of tenant in Yeovil, so have to do some repairs. I assume it was on your list of things to acquire.

I accept the apology thanks. Maybe I was quick to get carried away.

I know doubled or repunched characters are not of much interest I have learnt that. But some insignificant types or differences on coins have have been assigned freeman or gouby numbers and classed as more than insignificant although widely considered not real varieties. I dont have the all the book's and as far as I can see If one of the main specialist has written about a specific difference on a coin then it becomes something of interest. FYI i did exhaust searching for any written information about the coin in question. I'm quite happy doing my own research but if I can't find the a definitive awnser then I may ask the question. I started the question with I doubt it. I was just looking for confirmation of my own deduction thats all.

[absence of uniformity]

On 4/23/2026 at 5:06 PM, terrysoldpennies said:

And just look at this one !!

 

Please could you explain what's occuring on this coin, many thanks.

[Michael-Roo]

3 hours ago, absence of uniformity said:

Please could you explain what's occuring on this coin, many thanks.

The first three digits were already on the die, the last of the four entered manually afterwards. The spacing and positioning will sometimes appear odd, and this is not unusual. Granted though, this one is at the top end of 'odd'.

Edited 1 hour ago by Michael-Roo

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23 minutes ago, Michael-Roo said:

The first three digits were already on the die, the last of the four entered manually afterwards. The spacing and positioning will sometimes appear odd, and this is not unusual. Granted though, this one is at the top end of 'odd'.

Ok thanks yes I understand now, the last 1 totally out of place. I was looking for doublng or a number over a number.

Here is an example of a question I cant awnser myself and I have checked all I can find with the same die pairing to see if I can see one the same.

By looking at the attached image you can see the bottom loop of the 8 "appears" smaller than the top loop.

Edited 1 hour ago by absence of uniformity

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The image quality is terrible I know but unless its damage to me the 8 looks different.

The  left image shows a straight sided 8 where the top and bottom loop appear mostly equal with parallel sides. (This appears be to consistantly the case for the year and die pairing)

The other image on the right shows the coin in question with more slanted shape and sides. It's most likely nothing. But its a good example of a question where my own research wont provide a definitive awnser.

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