Lightly cleaned with scratches, how would you grade this coin.

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I purchased this coin for 6 pound 🙂, so cant be too upset for the light cleaning and scratches.

The actual colour of the coin is typical cleaned bronze colour.

Given the cleaning, scratches how would you grade the coin?

Many thanks.

Edited yesterday at 12:06 PM by absence of uniformity

[wlewisiii]

I'm still not as good at this as I want to be but if I were putting it into my catalog, I'd note it as VF+ details obverse and VF reverse because of the wear on the high spots. There's enough of the dress, to me, to warrant VF. 

I wait to hear other views

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29 minutes ago, wlewisiii said:

I'm still not as good at this as I want to be but if I were putting it into my catalog, I'd note it as VF+ details obverse and VF reverse because of the wear on the high spots. There's enough of the dress, to me, to warrant VF. 

I wait to hear other views

Thank you, here is an example from London coins that was graded VF or better, such a shame mine is cleaned and scratched.. That's really the root of my question how does the cleaning and scratches change the grading.

[Paddy]

When you posted your query, I did not even notice the lack of H! Very well done for finding one of those. How long have you had it? £6 is a stunning bargain.

As to grading - I am not probably the best person to quote as I tend to be old-fashioned and grade harsher than most modern dealers. For example, I would not agree with the London Coins grading of the other example. I would give that only F on the obverse and a nVF on the reverse.

On that basis, yours would grade aF or F both sides, with the scratches noted as details. But what the heck, I would forgive any grade to have an example in my collection! I prefer to grade on Rob's basis - "Acceptable" or "Not Acceptable".

[jelida]

The lack of H was the first thing I spotted! And with the gap between R and I of BRITT this looks a genuine one! Stunning purchase, GF details for me, probably previously cleaned but still one of the better ones.

Bosh !

Jerry

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44 minutes ago, Paddy said:

When you posted your query, I did not even notice the lack of H! Very well done for finding one of those. How long have you had it? £6 is a stunning bargain.

As to grading - I am not probably the best person to quote as I tend to be old-fashioned and grade harsher than most modern dealers. For example, I would not agree with the London Coins grading of the other example. I would give that only F on the obverse and a nVF on the reverse.

On that basis, yours would grade aF or F both sides, with the scratches noted as details. But what the heck, I would forgive any grade to have an example in my collection! I prefer to grade on Rob's basis - "Acceptable" or "Not Acceptable".

Thank you for the response. I found the coin early this year by chance. It was the first coin in my collection...! Infact it's because of this coin Im now collecting coins/varieties..

I come across the coin and after researching it I figured it was a rare coin. Since then I have been searching high and low and trying to learn as much as possible.

So far I have only been searching for coins that are not listed for sale as varieties, as I'm sure you aware its really addictive the buzz of finding a bargain. 

 

 

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51 minutes ago, jelida said:

The lack of H was the first thing I spotted! And with the gap between R and I of BRITT this looks a genuine one! Stunning purchase, GF details for me, probably previously cleaned but still one of the better ones.

Bosh !

Jerry

Thanks Jerry ! I'm happy with that. I doubt il find a better one in the wild.

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1 hour ago, jelida said:

The lack of H was the first thing I spotted! And with the gap between R and I of BRITT this looks a genuine one! Stunning purchase, GF details for me, probably previously cleaned but still one of the better ones.

Bosh !

Jerry

Hypothetically speaking what do you think I could jot down as a value in my database, many thanks.

[Coinery]

I’d say it is more polished than cleaned.

Sounds like you’ve had a good buy, though! 👏👏

[Peckris 2]

It's less  than VF in my book, but who cares with a rarity like that!

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1 hour ago, Peckris 2 said:

It's less  than VF in my book, but who cares with a rarity like that!

Thank you! agree, being rare, cleaned and or polished with scratches its quite tricky for me to value the coin. I have seen the 24 examples on Richards website most of which have sale prices. Most of those examples are more worn but dont have scratches and not obviously cleaned/ polished.

Asking opinion on the grade is simply to try better understand the value. I have no intentions to sell the coin.

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2 hours ago, Coinery said:

I’d say it is more polished than cleaned.

Sounds like you’ve had a good buy, though! 👏👏

Thank you !

[secret santa]

Wonderful find - I've added it to my website. Let me know if you would like personal attribution.

Regarding grade, I view the grade of a coin to be reflective of the amount of natural wear/circulation; any further damage should be included as a qualifier.

[jelida]

19 hours ago, absence of uniformity said:

Hypothetically speaking what do you think I could jot down as a value in my database, many thanks.

Somewhere between 2 and 3 grand I suspect, but could go higher on the day. It’s very difficult to predict for these serious rarities as it depends on the bidding of two people who have a gap to fill and really want it.

Jerry