MS 1920 Florins

[ozjohn]

An NGC MS  65 and PCGS MS 64 for comparison and my best 1920 ungraded florin. If I was given the choice of the PG coins I think the MS 64 is the better coin on the photographs and my one ain't too bad either. I'll be interested to see how much these two coins  sell for.

[PWA 1967]

I had an NGC MS65 1920 Florin that was superb and struggle to find a better one.

[Paddy]

1 hour ago, ozjohn said:

An NGC MS  65 and PCGS MS 64 for comparison and my best 1920 ungraded florin. If I was given the choice of the PG coins I think the MS 64 is the better coin on the photographs and my one ain't too bad either. I'll be interested to see how much these two coins  sell for.

 

 

 

I am not greatly into this Grading Mularkey but I would say the NGC 65 is way over graded - far too much loss of detail on the bust. I would say the other two are very similar and I would choose your ungraded one over the PCGS 64.

[VickySilver]

Hiya Paddy. Love the better 1920 transition year shillings, florins and half crowns.  Although only pictures, you will see with some frequency the TPGs to give a "technical" grade - that is the level of wear and lustre, etc. giving the grade. The strike IMHO is not valued enough and so I believe this to be the rationale for the higher grade on the first coin. Yours appears to have a wonderful strike with excellent hair & mustache, etc. detail. 

To be fair the first coin appears a bit overexposed photographically but the details do appear a bit flatter. I was thrilled to some years ago get the specimen proof "duck tailed" 1920 florin and will post a picture later today in case you might be interested.

[ozjohn]

9 hours ago, VickySilver said:

Hiya Paddy. Love the better 1920 transition year shillings, florins and half crowns.  Although only pictures, you will see with some frequency the TPGs to give a "technical" grade - that is the level of wear and lustre, etc. giving the grade. The strike IMHO is not valued enough and so I believe this to be the rationale for the higher grade on the first coin. Yours appears to have a wonderful strike with excellent hair & mustache, etc. detail. 

To be fair the first coin appears a bit overexposed photographically but the details do appear a bit flatter. I was thrilled to some years ago get the specimen proof "duck tailed" 1920 florin and will post a picture later today in case you might be interested.

A previously discussed buy the coin not the "grade"  Having said that the aim of PGs  should be to provide consistency. Strike quality is one of the points in accessing the higher grades and the the upper shield on the MS 65 graded coin should have downgraded this coin.

[Peckris 2]

13 hours ago, ozjohn said:

An NGC MS  65 and PCGS MS 64 for comparison and my best 1920 ungraded florin. If I was given the choice of the PG coins I think the MS 64 is the better coin on the photographs and my one ain't too bad either. I'll be interested to see how much these two coins  sell for.

I think I'd concur about the MS64 - though it is slightly hard to tell from small pictures. (Perhaps next time you could just screenshot the coin without the surrounding stuff?)

[ozjohn]

On 5/2/2025 at 6:01 PM, PWA 1967 said:

I had an NGC MS65 1920 Florin that was superb and struggle to find a better one.

Very nice coin.

[VickySilver]

Ah never did post this specimen/proof 1920 florin gotten from Mark R. many years ago with the “ducktailed” milling, possibly unique. Sorry about the poor photos from his list:

 

[ozjohn]

Have trouble is accepting a grade of MS 64 for this coin. 

[ozjohn]

A light strike perhaps? For the most part 1913 half crowns are much better than the ones minted in WW1.

Edited August 11 by ozjohn
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[ozjohn]

Sorry posted in the wrong thread.

[VickySilver]

Yes, a soft strike and the surfaces actually not showing much wear.