Geoffrey Cope Collection

[oldcopper]

On 11/28/2024 at 7:31 AM, PWA 1967 said:

Believe me when you SELL them you will be greatfull of any bids and if its a collector or dealer that pushes the price up a £1 ($1) is all the same regardless of who gives it you.

Richard mentioned pennies selling in the Workman sale of which i know a collector bought 7/8 and a couple of other collectors quite a lot between them both, if those three people hadnt bid then most would of gone for a lot lot less.

If Atlas did buy some or any other dealer from the Workman sale,  they had the same oportunity and the same pound notes as anyone else and what they chose to offer them for after the sale is up to them.

Buying something for £20,000 and then asking £40,000 doesnt always work out 😀.

Though I can't be sure of course, I don't think Atlas bought them as they have got a good eye for copper that they can buy at reasonable prices, mark up strongly and still sell, so eg coronets at what would be $30k plus would feel like a stretch. Also I have never seen them risk buying unprecedentedly really expensive copper ie none of the copper from Cope 1 has turned up on their website (which I check reasonably regularly) with the exception of that relatively cheap 1849. Recent earlier sky-high copper (eg 2023, 1699 halfpenny plus farthing ex Heritage) hasn't appeared with them either to my knowledge. They got the 1849 for a good price and if I'd hung around for it, I might have bid up to that figure if not more. It was less bright in the hand than the 1837 though.

 

 

Edited November 29, 2024 by oldcopper

[SilverAge3]

Does anyone have the prices realized for Cope 1 lots they could share, please?

[SilverAge3]

13 hours ago, oldcopper said:

Though I can't be sure of course, I don't think Atlas bought them as they have got a good eye for copper that they can buy at reasonable prices, mark up strongly and still sell, so eg coronets at what would be $30k plus would feel like a stretch. Also I have never seen them risk buying unprecedentedly really expensive copper ie none of the copper from Cope 1 has turned up on their website (which I check reasonably regularly) with the exception of that relatively cheap 1849. Recent earlier sky-high copper (eg 2023, 1699 halfpenny plus farthing ex Heritage) hasn't appeared with them either to my knowledge. They got the 1849 for a good price and if I'd hung around for it, I might have bid up to that figure if not more. It was less bright in the hand than the 1837 though.

 

 

Only Cope pieces they currently have are both gold, but I hadn't checked till recently.

[oldcopper]

11 hours ago, SilverAge3 said:

Only Cope pieces they currently have are both gold, but I hadn't checked till recently.

Yes, sorry, I was just  talking about the copper as it would have more relevance to them buying the more expensive Workman pieces.

 

[oldcopper]

11 hours ago, SilverAge3 said:

Does anyone have the prices realized for Cope 1 lots they could share, please?

I presume they'll still be on the CNG website archive.

[Rob]

17 hours ago, SilverAge3 said:

Does anyone have the prices realized for Cope 1 lots they could share, please?

https://www.arsclassicacoins.com/prices-realized/

144 is the Roman and 145 the British

[SilverAge3]

So what did you bag today?

[SilverAge3]

I won:

1834 Bullhead shilling, lot 1292

1806 bronzed proof penny, (diff var than the 1806 proof I won in first auction), lot  1285

Beat out in 7 other lots

Edited December 4, 2024 by SilverAge3

[Coinery]

Couldn’t even watch. Too far off the numbers for me, no point in unnecessarily bleeding out the soul…I’d rather sneak something from the lowland markets whilst the Royal Court are distracted by the king   

[SilverAge3]

Sadly my choices aren't so plentiful for the coins I like. Most everything here is Morgan dollars, or bullion.

[Coinery]

9 minutes ago, SilverAge3 said:

Sadly my choices aren't so plentiful for the coins I like. Most everything here is Morgan dollars, or bullion.

You’re US based aren’t you? Yes, it must be difficult to steal a bargain from overseas. I get the impression, though, that all the best pieces are slowly but surely being hoovered up by the American market…it will soon be too expensive for us all I fear.

Edited December 4, 2024 by Coinery

[SilverAge3]

It seems like we get overpriced culls or a small amount of massively overpriced better pieces. I still buy from UK, when feasible, it often works out better, as long as I consolidate several pieces in shipping. But not much at coin shows or shops for me to nose through. 

[secret santa]

There was a very nice F1 penny described as F6 which I though might go for a bargain price but it was spotted and bid up to over £1400.

[jelida]

11 minutes ago, secret santa said:

There was a very nice F1 penny described as F6 which I though might go for a bargain price but it was spotted and bid up to over £1400.

Yes, I spotted that too, even put a low ish bid on it. Not many bargains get through these days. Interestingly the 1837 penny is the Spink plate coin.

Jerry

[Rob]

20 minutes ago, jelida said:

Yes, I spotted that too, even put a low ish bid on it. Not many bargains get through these days. Interestingly the 1837 penny is the Spink plate coin.

Jerry

The 1837 was Colin Adams' coin. It was the only penny Geoff bought in that sale.

[secret santa]

1 hour ago, jelida said:

Spink plate coin.

What's that ????

[jelida]

57 minutes ago, secret santa said:

What's that ????

The picture in the Spink catalogue that illustrates the coin type.

Jerry

[secret santa]

53 minutes ago, jelida said:

The picture in the Spink catalogue that illustrates the coin type.

So it is - how did you spot that ???

[jelida]

59 minutes ago, secret santa said:

So it is - how did you spot that ???

I had half a mind to bid on it as an upgrade, but stymied that by making an expensive non-penny purchase. Looking at book value I noted the illustration with the same toning marks. 
Interestingly my other purchase is also ex Adams and the Spink plate. Rob might make a good guess. More to follow eventually.

Jerry

[oldcopper]

4 hours ago, secret santa said:

There was a very nice F1 penny described as F6 which I though might go for a bargain price but it was spotted and bid up to over £1400.

I was the underbidder, but thought hundreds would have spotted it, so didn't hold out too much hope. Perhaps I should have gone a bid or two higher. 

Edited December 4, 2024 by oldcopper

[oldcopper]

Comparing the 1837 in both catalogues shows the very unflattering colour quality of the Adam's catalogue. Only fully BU coins or near so showed any orange, and the 1837 didn't look lustrous at all. 

Edited December 4, 2024 by oldcopper

[TomGoodheart]

biddr let me down on this one. I put in a pre bid on a lot and thought I'd won ... went to check for an invoice and found the price achieved had gone up overnight.

Not happy at all, but not really NAC's fault as it was biddr that missed that my lot had gone higher. Fortunately (?) I was outbid by CHF450, so I have the consolation that it wasn't by just a few quid .. c'est la vie, or whatever that is in Swiss. 😕

[secret santa]

1 hour ago, oldcopper said:

Comparing the 1837 in both catalogues shows the very unflattering colour quality of the Adam's catalogue. Only fully BU coins or near so showed any orange, and the 1837 didn't look lustrous at all. 

Adams pics below.

Edited December 4, 2024 by secret santa
addition

[secret santa]

NAC pics

[oldcopper]

Thanks. And Spinks lighting makes the marks more obvious.