DrLarry Posted January 17, 2023 Author Posted January 17, 2023 4 hours ago, copper123 said: A Quarter sov nice quality Quote
Peckris 2 Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 13 hours ago, DrLarry said: the image does not seem to have loaded I don't see it either. Quote
DrLarry Posted January 18, 2023 Author Posted January 18, 2023 it is interesting this thread on model pennies and half pennies I have a few a dozen or so some varieties mostly because they are listed in Rogers I suppose as they had full intrinsic value they are deemed to be more than toycoins ...it was a clever experiment really I am not sure why the mint did not run with it ...even Wyon (the elder I think) was impressed 54 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said: I don't see it either. Quote
copper123 Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 15 hours ago, DrLarry said: the image does not seem to have loaded yes will try again Quote
DrLarry Posted January 18, 2023 Author Posted January 18, 2023 3 hours ago, copper123 said: they are very different designs? I don't know a great deal about these tokens . Do we know if they were made by more than one company? I know there is also a satirical version with Duke of Cumberland ? replaced by a monkey Quote
DrLarry Posted January 19, 2023 Author Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) D and Co's I will list what I have and begin some discussion on a few variants that dont seem to be listed in Rogers. First this Gothic Sovereign Or half sov ...definitely is seems it is supposed to be a shield Sov of some kind and still has a lot of gilt I will try compare the shield with the other young head Half Sov and the Crown and on the obverse I will compare the gothic head used for the Florin These all seem to be plain edged all 13 mm and 0.7 mm thick although this I will have to check more closely as some appear thicker The Gold Gothic .....is it a MULE of the florin? why then is it finished in Gold ? Edited January 19, 2023 by DrLarry Quote
DrLarry Posted January 19, 2023 Author Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) The Half Crown in Brass #443 in Rogers Edited January 19, 2023 by DrLarry 1 Quote
DrLarry Posted January 19, 2023 Author Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) the half Crown #444d the white Metal RRR* Edited January 19, 2023 by DrLarry 1 Quote
DrLarry Posted January 19, 2023 Author Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) The Florin Four varieties of metaL HAVE BEEN USED #444 A TO D THIS S THE SILVERED bRASS Edited January 19, 2023 by DrLarry Quote
DrLarry Posted January 19, 2023 Author Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) THIS fLORIN IS THE wHITE METAL VERSION 444 D Edited January 19, 2023 by DrLarry Quote
DrLarry Posted January 19, 2023 Author Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) There is some compelling evidence for the company being German in the Shilling of this series . It is hard to see in the images in Rogers for #442 if he just did not see this error in the lettering or we are dealing with another variety. Either way he reads it as simply saying ONE SHILLING in the two examples I have they read ONE SKILLING on the first the K seems to have been attempted to be corrected on the second the K is clearly just as it is . Edited January 19, 2023 by DrLarry 1 Quote
DrLarry Posted January 19, 2023 Author Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) this one is in white metal different to the one listed in Rogers #445 Edited January 19, 2023 by DrLarry Quote
DrLarry Posted January 19, 2023 Author Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) The six Pence #446 Edited January 19, 2023 by DrLarry Quote
DrLarry Posted January 19, 2023 Author Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) I seem to have two distinct varieties in design for the ONE PENNY Edited January 19, 2023 by DrLarry Quote
DrLarry Posted January 19, 2023 Author Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) larger lettering and distinctively different ship the date is different. Interestingly the anatomy varies between the two this one follows the mistake made by the Royal Mint engraving which attempts to put the trident in line with the elbow , the ship is badly modelled Edited January 19, 2023 by DrLarry Quote
DrLarry Posted January 19, 2023 Author Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) the Penny Edited January 19, 2023 by DrLarry Quote
DrLarry Posted January 19, 2023 Author Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) comparing the three Gothic heads Edited January 19, 2023 by DrLarry Quote
DrLarry Posted January 19, 2023 Author Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) comparing the shields Edited January 19, 2023 by DrLarry Quote
DrLarry Posted January 19, 2023 Author Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) comparing the bun heads Edited January 19, 2023 by DrLarry Quote
DrLarry Posted January 19, 2023 Author Posted January 19, 2023 to be honest the D & Co's toys are well made and show great detailing they sometime surpass Lauer in terms of the clarity of the engraving (my opinion) really nice quality pieces. I just wish we knew more about them. Clearly there are new examples yet to be found and add to the list in Rogers please list any you might have I am sure we will find varieties too Quote
DrLarry Posted January 19, 2023 Author Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) the reverse of the penny for comparison Edited January 19, 2023 by DrLarry Quote
copper123 Posted January 19, 2023 Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) Edited January 19, 2023 by copper123 Quote
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