Guess the grade and price

[azda]

This is only for fun as we know how some dealers think that a particular grade should command a particular price, so, guess the grade and price.

Edited February 1, 2022 by azda

[Iannich48]

Avf my guess. A spink number would help in estimating a price.

[Sword]

Mint State as some would say.  Weak striking and flan issue doesn't affect technical grade but would of course make a big difference to price.

[Iannich48]

That is why i am not a hammered coin expert. Mint state, yes ok, i see what you mean.

[azda]

MS62 and €2300 😂

[oldcopper]

Here's another: This was graded VF in 2013 DNW auction, MS63 in Heritage Auctions 2014 sale. You can see where the grading comes from for both auction companies, but one takes the poor strike (and perhaps stain) into account and the other doesn't.

 

[azda]

This is the ticket for the hammered coin

[Rob]

On 2/2/2022 at 11:58 AM, oldcopper said:

Here's another: This was graded VF in 2013 DNW auction, MS63 in Heritage Auctions 2014 sale. You can see where the grading comes from for both auction companies, but one takes the poor strike (and perhaps stain) into account and the other doesn't.

 

VF is too low - look at the shield detail. Having said that, the quality of the dies is crap as they look to be a bit long in the tooth. I'd go somewhere between the two grades.

[copper123]

That seriously is a very dificult coin to grade and I agree VF is far to low - its badly struck or more likely weekly struck .

Its not far off EF in my opinion the trace of lutre says it all

[Peckris 2]

On 2/4/2022 at 8:13 PM, copper123 said:

That seriously is a very dificult coin to grade and I agree VF is far to low - its badly struck or more likely weekly struck .

Its not far off EF in my opinion the trace of lutre says it all

by Arthur Daily...?

[oldcopper]

On 2/4/2022 at 8:13 PM, copper123 said:

That seriously is a very dificult coin to grade and I agree VF is far to low - its badly struck or more likely weekly struck .

Its not far off EF in my opinion the trace of lutre says it all

It was ex Hopetown House 1989 Spink auction where Spink also graded it VF. So DNW probably just lifted the grade.

At that sale, there were better Charles II halfpennies, so that probably depressed the grade. I think that's psychology though - I find the same with lustre, a lustrous coin looks far brighter if placed next to a lower lustre example but not so good when placed next to a more lustrous one. 

[oldcopper]

On 2/10/2022 at 4:19 PM, oldcopper said:

It was ex Hopetown House 1989 Spink auction where Spink also graded it VF. So DNW probably just lifted the grade.

At that sale, there were better Charles II halfpennies, so that probably depressed the grade. I think that's psychology though - I find the same with lustre, a lustrous coin looks far brighter if placed next to a lower lustre example but not so good when placed next to a more lustrous one. 

Sorry my memory failed me - Spink graded it EF with weak patches at the Hopetown House sale, but it did go for less than the 1672 and 1675's also graded EF in that sale. The last bit stands though - that's definitely true about lustre!

 

Edited February 14, 2022 by oldcopper

[blakeyboy]

On 2/10/2022 at 3:32 PM, Peckris 2 said:

by Arthur Daily...?

Very good- saw what you did there.

Treble VATs all round!! ( on the slate please, Dave...)

[Peckris 2]

On 2/14/2022 at 10:34 AM, blakeyboy said:

Very good- saw what you did there.

Treble VATs all round!! ( on the slate please, Dave...)

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