zookeeperz Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 Hi good people. Here are two farthings the dark one is the beaded border farthing but supposedly so is the light one on the left but it doesn't have that same rock formation to the left of the lighthouse and the broach is lower set is it the mule? some of the teeth resemble teeth but most look like beaded dots. Kind of confusing? Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 34 minutes ago, zookeeperz said: Hi good people. Here are two farthings the dark one is the beaded border farthing but supposedly so is the light one on the left but it doesn't have that same rock formation to the left of the lighthouse and the broach is lower set is it the mule? some of the teeth resemble teeth but most look like beaded dots. Kind of confusing? From these images, on my cell phone, they BOTH appear to be round beads on both obverse and reverse, F-496. Quote
zookeeperz Posted November 27, 2017 Author Posted November 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, Bronze & Copper Collector said: From these images, on my cell phone, they BOTH appear to be round beads on both obverse and reverse, F-496. Why is the lighthouse on the left twice as wide at the top? the mouths are different the one on the right her lips curl downward? Quote
davidrj Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 Comparing photos for varieties is difficult, and damn near impossible if the direction of illumination is significantly different as in your two David Quote
zookeeperz Posted November 27, 2017 Author Posted November 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, davidrj said: Comparing photos for varieties is difficult, and damn near impossible if the direction of illumination is significantly different as in your two David yes I was just thinking that. I'll just put it down to lighting there are enough markers to confirm both are beaded . Thank you gents Quote
Peter Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) Don't worry Zoo....even PCGS get these mixed up. Edited November 27, 2017 by Peter Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, Peter said: Don't worry Zoo....even PCGS get theses mixed up. Not really..... They just make up new varieties rather than admit they made a mistake..... Quote
RLC35 Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 Just now, Bronze & Copper Collector said: Not really..... They just make up new varieties rather than admit they made a mistake..... Yes B&C you are right. Remember the time you bought a UNC Mule, only to determine it was not a mule, and returned it? After that, the grading company tried to explain it away as a "partial" mule.......LOL. 2 Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, RLC35 said: Yes B&C you are right. Remember the time you bought a UNC Mule, only to determine it was not a mule, and returned it? After that, the grading company tried to explain it away as a "partial" mule.......LOL. Precisely to what I was referring... (How could I forget.) Edited November 27, 2017 by Bronze & Copper Collector 3 Quote
zookeeperz Posted November 27, 2017 Author Posted November 27, 2017 3 hours ago, Bronze & Copper Collector said: Precisely to what I was referring... (How could I forget.) I have seen some of those slabbed and even from this far away you would have to be blind not to notice both sides are a toothed border. I only noticed as I was looking on the census to see how many were graded and what the top grade was. I just think with both the US TPG's they tend to ignore any kind of variety on British coins. this being a prime example. But I will not moan it was my gain this time around Quote
Rob Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 I don't think they ignore it so much as take the approach that something about right is ok. To provide evidence for this statement, the one below was previously slabbed by NGC as a P1983. Obviously by adhering to Peck numbers only and ignoring all other references, they will always be fighting an uphill battle to get it right. But I think they can get away with it because they are targeting a segment of the market that is generally unquestioning. 1 Quote
RLC35 Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 2 hours ago, zookeeperz said: I have seen some of those slabbed and even from this far away you would have to be blind not to notice both sides are a toothed border. I only noticed as I was looking on the census to see how many were graded and what the top grade was. I just think with both the US TPG's they tend to ignore any kind of variety on British coins. this being a prime example. But I will not moan it was my gain this time around I had the same issue Zooey. I sent in a F192A Penny (1922/27) with full documentation, and it came back a F192 Penny...and they lost my documentation!They graded it ok on grade (VF I think), but they took a $4,000 coin and turned it into a $50 coin! 2 Quote
zookeeperz Posted November 27, 2017 Author Posted November 27, 2017 47 minutes ago, RLC35 said: I had the same issue Zooey. I sent in a F192A Penny (1922/27) with full documentation, and it came back a F192 Penny...and they lost my documentation!They graded it ok on grade (VF I think), but they took a $4,000 coin and turned it into a $50 coin! That's bad I would of let rip. I guess you had to crack it back open? Quote
zookeeperz Posted November 27, 2017 Author Posted November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Rob said: I don't think they ignore it so much as take the approach that something about right is ok. To provide evidence for this statement, the one below was previously slabbed by NGC as a P1983. Obviously by adhering to Peck numbers only and ignoring all other references, they will always be fighting an uphill battle to get it right. But I think they can get away with it because they are targeting a segment of the market that is generally unquestioning. Wow that is right up my street Very very nice Rob. Lock it away I am thinking of becoming a cat burglar Quote
RLC35 Posted November 28, 2017 Posted November 28, 2017 2 hours ago, zookeeperz said: That's bad I would of let rip. I guess you had to crack it back open? I haven't cracked it open, but at some point I will, when I get ready to sell it. Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted November 28, 2017 Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, RLC35 said: I haven't cracked it open, but at some point I will, when I get ready to sell it. Better make sure it is properly identified somehow now, just in case. So you or someone else doesn't forget what it really is....... Quote
RLC35 Posted November 28, 2017 Posted November 28, 2017 20 minutes ago, Bronze & Copper Collector said: Better make sure it is properly identified somehow now, just in case. So you or someone else doesn't forget what it really is....... Already done, but good advice! Quote
Colin88 Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 On 27/11/2017 at 10:01 PM, RLC35 said: I had the same issue Zooey. I sent in a F192A Penny (1922/27) with full documentation, and it came back a F192 Penny...and they lost my documentation!They graded it ok on grade (VF I think), but they took a $4,000 coin and turned it into a $50 coin! Yep they did that with me too on an 1860 Mule Freeman 9 Penny ...came back as an ordinary F10 ...which I still have btw if anyone wants to buy it. 1 Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) Looking at the original Farthings, the reverses - one is clearly not the listed A or B, given the lighthouse size, Ship standard etc? My freeman only lists 2, Colins site only lists 2 (aboutfarthings). Am I missing something please? Edited January 2, 2018 by Unwilling Numismatist Quote
Colin G. Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 Without the coins being lit from the same direction, it would be difficult if not near impossible to confirm a difference, it is amazing what difference lighting can have on the appearance of a coin. Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 Agreed Colin, but on closer inspection of Zoo's images above, it seems like there is some difference which isn't light related. I used my best crayon skills to highlight a couple of areas Lighthouse, rocks and Ship standard are a few of teh more obvious, so I chopped down the image to a more presentable size. Quote
jelida Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 The whole perspective of the coin on the left is distorted by the lens and equipment used compared to the right, we are not comparing like for like and I personally would not draw any conclusions . Jerry Quote
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