Martinminerva

I take it that it wasn't then... ☹️

The date digits are not quite in the correct font. True for all of these copies (probably to do with how the dies have been CAD generated, I guess, as these are not pressure casts from genuine coins, thus the discrepancies with border beads and bust details). Worth adding that info to your page, Richard??

I had the error screen for over two weeks (on three different PC desktops, in two different locations and on three different browsers), but today for the first time it all works again. I even tried to follow links from the Predecimal.com shopfront and links from Google searches, all to no avail. God knows what happened. I do hope it doesn't happen again. Can @TomGoodheart confirm all is now ok?

Members beware! Just spotted this and already got multiple watchers... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/196199224387?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l1120&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=3bb9025c48274b559c9bab40504eb161&bu=43098541495&ut=RU&osub=-1~1&crd=20240120030846&segname=11021 Clearly one of those recent Chinese copies but which has been doctored to appear "circulated". More worrying still is if you search seller's other items he has several other Victorian copper "pennies", all copies, but all doctored to one degree or another to masquerade as something more genuine. ... and just looked at his completed listings and feedback and numerous similar doctored copies of various dates have sold for good money and buyers have left positive feedback. A fool and his money... a little knowledge... and other suitable aphorisms spring to mind. Caveat emptor!

Just a bog standard 6+G, I'm afraid. The B of Brit is supposed to be close to her head on obv.6.

Now you've gone way beyond my level of understanding!! I hope the latter, but have no actual idea! Hope someone on here can provide professional clarity!

A very good point. As far as I understand, a turnover or gross sale of £1000 could generate a tax return obligation on you (if HMRC choose to send you one), but within which you would then declare your profits and pay tax as appropriate, so if you have made less than £1000 profit, you would not be liable for any tax. But I am not an accountant, so I may well be completely wrong! Any members on here suitably qualified to comment?!

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2024/01/online-platforms-etsy-vinted-airbnb-report-hmrc/ Have a read of this, and should answer most questions. The key seems to be whether you are trading (buying to sell on) or selling your own stuff - but god only knows how HMRC can determine that. As ever, the establishment would appear to be going after the little people for every penny of tax and ignore the rich and the multi-billion conglomerates who allegedly have clever accountants to avoid/evade tax left, right and centre! 😉

Had this back from Joe via his ebay presence: Hello Martin. I'm afraid it's now gone. Family commitments, lack of time, and other changes in life. Sorry, Martin. Happy collecting. All the best, Joe. A real shame with all his wonderful research and photos etc now vanished for evermore unless he chooses to publish in a more permanent format. Copy and pasting from the net is no option for sites like his - each of his hundreds of photos, enlargements, hyperlinks etc would have had to be individually copied and would have taken hundreds of hours as no doubt building his website did. Thus is the ephemeral nature of the web... Michael Gouby's website is similarly massive and meticulous; how sad it will be if all that research is one day lost from the net. Oh for books!! As Paddy says above: I too don't expect the net to last problem free for that many more years!! Books doing well at 2000 years plus and counting 😉

Also Joe Lee's excellent resource website farthingshalfpennyerrors.com seems to no longer exist. It says the domain has expired. This is one massive downside of online resources compared to printed - the latter will continue to exist and be a resource for decades and more, whilst the former can vanish at the drop of a hat. Pity there doesn't seem to be some form of permanent web archiving... (or is there?)

Just can't tell from a picture that small... Maybe/Possibly...(Fingers crossed) but there is some crud around some of the letters - eg. the A of HALF, and perhaps the "P" is just a bit of crud?? I take it you don't have it in hand yet. Only a bigger picture or it in hand would be decisive.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/235337607041?hash=item36cb36e781:g:NwcAAOSwXdZldX8~&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwFSfkSwmQd1lxgOL8dW6twnMTiiW%2FSFQKPD5OhTwr5A1IXBmumkWEr5iDSUmW83wSTsJlm%2BnEfhJI6nLgOXwtfhmNSwkzyD41cmmXT4fBimwAKkTvycGktFTrp3P7NyC4kAekqnvZ3v2AeZhVbLmwD4lR68Zhz4MPLl%2BU3FRAl1O997cTP18WQ2lAEA8A22Uq9dLptqp8YI8zXBaLhNa7YMmu7wC9LxmOrnrKOU394D%2BlThKBPqTIXWlZIQAlKmfYg%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR6bN7p-LYw ...because of course Victoria was famously Queen of Australia in 1931 😉

I agree - the double striking around ANG is most diagnostic (unless the DIE itself could be double entered??) of identical-ness. But both of these, if fakes are blooming good ones compared to the original post coin and its duplicates which are obvious casts with their pitted, porous and bubbly surfaces, not to mention the hole and plugging in exactly the same spots!!

And therein is the entire answer!

This just sold today - £700 for a worthless coin in a holder with PL66 on it. How it got this grade and how it achieved £700 beggars belief. https://auction.royalmint.com/lot-details/index/catalog/41/lot/3166 I despair... "dark toning" my ar*e. It's tarnish, corrosion or even rust to me! Their blurb also states : "Although 158 examples of the coin have been graded by PCGS only 3 could be considered better than this. " well, my own polished die 1960 is unworn, bright, untarnished and unscratched and for me eminently better, retaining its prooflike status. And it cost me just ten quid. I know which I prefer to own, but, yes, I collect coins, not American, random, crazy opinions. I bet a quick trawl of internet / ebay could find many that are better. Subjective, yes, but in what way isn't PCGS subjective??

With the splits in the outer and the copper core showing through, this appears to be a contemporary copy/forgery which would have been clad in a more precious metal but with a base core to resemble a full piece. As long as there has been currency there has been forgery!!

Yes, F763 (strictly, Gouby A+b or Freeman 1**+B) for me as well, but still a jolly nice one!

I believe it might do, although the obverse die clash marks on mine are at a much earlier stage and barely started, but that would be consistent with evolving die damage. But it does suggest at least two obverse dies were used as mine has no die crack through the A and minimal die clash marks, whilst the two pictured above have very developed, but different, die damage.

... And now it's been taken down by the seller due to "an error in the listing". Some error!!

You beat me to it, Jerry! I was just about to alert forum members to its relisting.

Not a reliable indicator - my 1860 2+C has no hint of this die crack. So, either more than one pair of dies used (possible for an R17 scarcity) or the crack evolved over time (more likely), or more than one obverse 2 die used with the reverse C die (most likely).

The dolphin and the capital Omicron and Lambda (ΟΛ) are all associated with the Greek colony of Olbia, on the Black Sea coast (modern day Ukraine, I think), but do not have any reference books on Greek coins so can't tell you any more than that, but sure someone with more knowledge of ancient coins and denominations could. As copper123 says though, it might well not be genuine - lots of copies exist of "ancient" coins, both very modern and somewhat older.

Likewise. Really doesn't look like a proof to me - the weak strike around shield and first digit of date would seem anomalous for a proof. But proofs are notoriously hard to photograph, so may look much better in hand... As Rob says: Easiest way is comparing a known currency piece with a claimed proof and then look for reasons why it isn't one rather than saying it is better, so must be one.

If by any chance you mean this one, there is NO WAY that's a proof! Pitted and cleaned and maybe lacquered would be my conclusion... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/335065527190?hash=item4e03763396:g:3IgAAOSwksdlHtKc Odd that it's been re-listed too. Also argues against it... If it's not that one, forgive me! I was intrigued by your post and trawled ebay to see what "proofs" there were in Victorian farthings, but to no avail.

Nothing. Coin collectors like the circular bits of metal. These other people like a square piece of plastic with an arbitrary number printed on it. Two completely different sets of people. Perhaps some enterprising individual could separate the two camps fully by just issuing bits of plastic without anything in them!! 😉