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soon we have to all become like the big auction houses and ask for CGS coins to be unholdered so that they can be examined prior to purchase

nice

Alice Cooper ..........

The buyer won’t be as disappointed as the buyer of http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?page=Pastresults&auc=148&searchlot=2186&searchtype=2. Keep your eyes peeled for CGS coin #0007719. I was in the auction on Saturday and was going to bid on this coin so I asked to view it. I was stunned by what I saw. The entire rim from 8 o clock to 1 o clock was flowing with verdigris (the hard kind more like the green patina that is found on metal-detected copper). I have looked at the CGS pics possibly taken during the grading process and they seem perfectly ok. The LCA pics show the reverse without problems but the obverse pic that has the verdigris has been properly masked. I am sure the buyer will ask for a refund and this coin will make a second appearance on one of their auctions soon.

I wont comment on the silver but bronze seems reasonable for the most part but http://www.ringramcoins.com/coins/pennies/penny-13950.html for AUNC is a bit over the top

On the money. Mate of mine wanted to send a CGS 82 graded coin to NGC hoping to get a MS 65. Turns out there was an edgeknock that was well concealed by the inner capsule. Now he's considering sending it back to CGS for an explanation.

£ 570 for a VF coin must mean a special date

Nice coin Prax. It's not one of the scarce types but still a beautiful coin. Was it a type you were missing in your collection or did you get it as an upgrade?

Agreed the lower portion extends far beyond your average open 3

I would give it 70 Obv and Rev 60. Look at them lions like they have been starved to death. The first lion on the top corner their butt is gone missing. The vertical line sepearting the 4 compartments is missing and on the bottom shelf the lion's heads are missing. With CGS it is always who the consignee is. I would grade it XF overall but hey whhat do I know.

... and this is UNC apparently. http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?searchlot=1995&searchtype=2&page=Catalogue At least it did not get a CGS 95, which it may if sent for grading based on who sent it

it was an oversight. you do recognise that don't you

CGS Numerical Grade Average Raw UK Grade Average Standard USA Sheldon 100 FDC MS70 99 FDC MS70 98 FDC MS70 97 FDC MS70 96 FDC M69 95 FDC MS 68 -69 94 AFDC MS68 93 AFDC MS 67 -68 92 AFDC MS67 91 AFDC MS66 -67 90 NFDC MS 66 88 BU -NFDC MS65 -66 85 Choice UNC - BU MS 65 82 Choice UNC MS 64 -65 80 Choice UNC MS 64 78 UNC MS 63 -64 75 UNC or near so MS 62 - 63 70 AU MS60 -61 65 GEF MS60 -61 60 EF AU58 - MS60 55 NEF AU55 50 GVF AU55 45 GVF AU 53 40 VF AU 50 35 NVF EF 45 30 GF EF 40 25 GF F35 20 F F30 15 NF 10 VG 8 VG 5 GOOD 4 FAIR 3 FAIR 2 FAIR 1 FAIR Best of them all is the 1868 penny which even according to them is nearly UNC but gets a CGS 80. KUDOS!!!!!!!!!!

Not again, they really need to get their act together! Most of these have an incorrect die axis, so should be easy to spot! More of the same I guess. Their catalog has so many certified coins that don't conform to their grading guidelines (ummmm I wonder what's happening there) http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?searchlot=1679&searchtype=2&page=Catalogue - PCGS 63 - CGS 82 http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?searchlot=1771&searchtype=2&page=Catalogue - NGC 63 - CGS 80 http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?searchlot=1729&searchtype=2&page=Catalogue - NGC 65 - CGS 85 http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?searchlot=2184&searchtype=2&page=Catalogue - PCGS 64 - CGS 82 abc coin was graded MS 63 and was regraded by CGS as 82 ---

Agree with Nick If your coin is uncirculated (full mint shine and clear details without any scratches or blemishes) then it maybe worth upto £ 35. For worn coins the price offered could be less than £ 1. However there are some 1912 variants that are scarce The 1912 H penny in uncirculated can be worth £ 130. The 1912 2 on 1 can be worth a lot more. A photo could help

Well spotted Prax.

Nice one Prax and Pete so we have the double 4 type in both large and small date coins.

"but that's the story he was told when he bought it in 1938 just before the war for the princely price of £2.8s" Wow some money for that story. He fails to say how much was paid for the coin though!!! Free English lessons on the forum

Doubled 4!!! Does anyone have a good pic of this type please?

I would agree with that, the 2nd most common of the 12 generally acknowledged 1874 varieties. Looks around GVF, retail price £30-£35 perhaps less as mid-grade bun pennies are hardly flying off the shelves at present. The 1d boys seem to go for GEF + unless its one of those "RARE" blank discs...open 3 type thingies . I won't split hairs on the grade but it is a very nice GVF maybe approaching NEF. If MP sold it he would grade GEF. Close, I would have guessed 'Practically UNC'Wrong terminology ... He uses virtually uncirculated ... Spink say the coin is worth £1000

Could not have said it any better

CGS is a joke. Send your coins to grade and you will find them seriously under-rated. At the same time buy off their inventory and you would be scratching your head about how this coin got such a high grade. On their no verdigiris policy; look at the 1882 penny that recently sold on ebay. How easily their standards change based on the coin’s rarity or its owner is a joke. Avoid CGS like the plague a) they don’t stick to their 90 day window, their slabs are very low grade and show cracks within 2 years and c) they will not give your coin a grade it deserves. If that’s not enough try selling a CGS graded coin at one of the bigger American auction houses and they will spit at you

September auction at London coins had a pretty convincing no H with an obverse 12 which was ex Seaby http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/img.php?a=146&l=2720&f=r&s=l http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/img.php?a=146&l=2720&f=o&s=l As a general rule there are no 1882 no Hs with obv 12. The ex Seaby coin was one of its kind in it that it was a higher grade (GVF) coin with 'almost' no sign of a H. The collectors (in my opinion) who purchased the coin not because it was a no H but because it was an ex Seaby coin. Further there have been no 1882 obv 12 coins in fine plus grade without the H and all experts agree that there are no 1882 obv 12 no H coins. This case is similar to Bamford's 1876 no H penny. In Gouby's book it is clearly stated that Bamford himself did not believe that it was a no H but kept it regardless as it was a one of a kind. When the coin was listed in auction it was not listed as a no H penny but as ex Bamford and it did attract considerable interest. In similar fashion this is ex Seaby is also wanted not because it is a no H but because of its provenance.

Looks like it was made to decive. Someone went to the extent of engineering the date as opposed to deleting the H. A clever try but a bogus nonetheless

One perhaps but not a certainity