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That's a beauty. Is that urs Pete?

I have seen this die rotation (40 degree and over) on early bronze hapennies, 1862 especially. I have 4 or 5 PCGS slabbed hapennies with this problem. It's not that common on later Vicky pennies or on Edwardian Pennies. Mid George V pennies also show-up with this error especially the 1920 penny.

unsolid or unsoiled

Not uncommon. Anything over 90 degrees is rare however. I have seen plenty with up to 40 degrees rotation.

Not my experience. I have quite often been below my max in the past several years. In that case I will have to change my point of view. Perhaps I have been very unlucky with proxy bids for a long time with LCA. Thanks for letting me know.

That seals it then, Jag! They seem reasonably up front on the proxy system!Congrats on the wins! Or they are taking note of feedback received. I was in the hall and was surprised to find a lot of bidding this time around as opposed to lots opening just shy of the low estimate, which generally used to be the norm at LCA.

Interesting!!! It would need to be put under a microscope to ensure the date has not been artificially removed. However I think it looks kosher from here and if it really is then I personally think we are looking upwards of £500.

Thanks. Initial investigation shows that the pennies either did well or were left unsold.

I suspect they are trying to bracket them as 'investment coins' given the way Stanley Gibbons are developing their rare coin indices and pushing coins as an alternative investment. Keeping the prices high would be an integral part of this strategy. Very plausible and I agree with you Rob, but good luck to them if they want to pose a 1865 penny as an investment grade asset.

Thanks Paulus. Order placed

Is there a Bronze book other than the standard Freeman/Gouby/Peck/Satin?

There were 3 pennies for sale in the Baldwin's sale #214 - 1860 lcw below foot which sold for £2640 including premium #215 - 1865 normal F50 - unsold with a reserve of £1000 #217 - 1870 pattern coronet which sold for £4500 including premium I have been following the discussions on how the Baldwin's sale is drawing extra premiums for normal coins and I am wondering why. Granted that the 1870 and 1860 coins are rare but neither (my personal opinion) is as rare as the amount it sold for. As for the 1865 penny with a £1000 reserve I am beginning to wonder which planet these people are from. The 1870 is very rare no doubt but some coronets have sold for just over £2500 recently - the 1862 with a similar rarity sold for £1600 a few years back http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?page=Pastresults&auc=112&searchlot=1197&searchtype=2 the bronze variant sold for £2500 http://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-victoria-bronze-pattern-penny-1862-/a/3004-21420.s The Spink lcw below foot which was much better than the Baldwin's example sold for £1800 I also doubt if the vendors came-up with such unrealistic reserves and I am starting to get the feeling that Baldwin's are attempting to add a new dimension to coins they sell. Just like we have rarity and provenance, are Baldwin's stamping their brand over coins sold by them and expecting a premium for the favour?

I'd like to meet the genius who'd pay £600 for this http://www.baldwin.co.uk/coins/great-britain/great-britain-copper-and-bronze/rare-good-ef-1865-bun-penny.html?usrc=1 I have enough pennies to sell him, which perhaps would confer upon me the privilege of becoming a buyer at the future Baldwin's sale

Was speaking to a collector from up North in the recent Baldwin's who had purchased 22 coins from the Gerald W. Jackson Part I and II sales. He was looking to sell few from the lot. I am going to give him a call. Considering what Stanley II has done I reckon Gerald W. Jackson can't have been that far behind - if only Spink had posted decent pics *sigh*

Makes me wonder how the estimates were so glaringly breached. Many coins selling for x5 times the estimate. All lost sold and most if not all above the estimates. Wonder where all these punters were during the Penny sale last year.

Just your luck, plenty of interest, underbidder? Damn (

Will be going after the 1877 penny next. Fingers crossed

I went 22k on a gold coin that my mate recommended ended up selling for 301k

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Can't see half the shield. Must be a very scarce coin for £450 in that condition

Sorry Rob Coppers it right it should have been http://londoncoins.c...e/_pdf/A149.pdf

http://londoncoins.co.uk/webcatalogue/_pdf/A148.pdf This should see us through until the link reappears

Perhaps it's time to put together a predecimal task-force that will identify a group of such suspect coins, inspect these in-person and report back to the forum about how far or close to the mark LCA were. I have identified a few bronze and coppers that I will report on. The 1866 is of special interest to me because I think it is a clear giveaway (with all the circular cropping etc) and I want to bring to light any deliberate attempts by LCA to mislead buyers just as they did with the 1868 penny in the previous auction. The hope is that this will force them to get their act together.

All the penny baddies coming together!!!!!

Now out and some good pennies and some bad like this UNC 1866 Penny which is also graded CGS 80 http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?searchlot=2442&searchtype=2&page=Catalogue