Paulus

Never rains but it pours ... another penny though! Should be a challenge even for the experts!

Very welcome expertise Matteo, we need this level of knowledge alongside Rob and Clive (and now Coinery of course (and many others on here I haven't mentiioned I am sure) )! I will get that far back in history eventually!

Thanks Chris

Perhaps it's been overloaded with too many posts about pennies?

Yes I get intermittent faults too, I have informed Chris

If anyone would know it would be Rob I think?

the recovery of George III from illness I believe

I've actually been surprised by how easily I have been able to obtain these relatively cheaply, in my opinion. The 4 I have just posted cost an average of less than £45 each delivered, and if I can continue getting them for that sort of money in that grade I will cherry pick some more! Just love em!

I use a semi-organised system - new arrivals get put in paper envelopes in the top drawer of a small filing cabinet pending photographing and adding to my database. The other drawers contain coins awaiting proper filing in my folders, adding to my web site, listing for sale, etc etc. I still mislay the odd coin temporarily, but rarely.

Nice links RP, hadn't seen those sites before

The weight seems about right for such a worn coin though ... (supposed to be 6.0 g for an unworn old shilling - I believe)

What does a Dutch copy ( (old) Esc 1006) look like? Anyone have one or a pic of one?

I agree with Rob i.e letters far too thick. What did the Heritage description say exactly? My lesser-grade-than-Rob's example below:

Enjoy your day Boab

Anyone going to the Midland tomorrow could perhaps ask them WHY???

It's completely crazy isn't it

It definitely looks harshly cleaned to me, and the stain reduces eye appeal (and therefore value) for me - two reasons why I would be avoiding it regardless of the price. GVF possibly better. And it's an auction of course, so impossible to say at this stage whether it is expensive or not ...

The other 2 Undated Kendal (Westmoreland – now Cumbria) copper Conder halfpenny token. Reverse: A man-of-war ship in full sail to right: “THE GUARD & GLORY OF BRITAIN”. Obverse: Cypher of “R&D” crested by a lion: “KENDAL”. Edge inscription: “PAYABLE IN DUBLIN OR LONDON”. D&H Westmoreland No: 5a. Diameter 30mm 1794 Middlesex Political and Social Series London copper Conder halfpenny token. Obverse: A map of France with a foot at it’s centre. The legend (and it’s interpretation) as follows: “HONOR” (trodden underfoot), “THRONE” (turned upside down), “FRA-NCE” (divided), “RE\LI/GI\ON” (cut in pieces), “GLORY” (defaced), “FIRE” (in each corner), daggers (i.e. murder on every side), and bloodshed all over with legend: “A MAP OF FRANCE 1794”. Reverse: Legend over a radiating star within a wreath of oak leaves: “MAY GREAT BRITAIN EVER REMAIN THE REVERSE” (i.e. the opposite of the anarchy in France). Engrailed edge. This was designed to make a satirical comment against the French whose revolution had recently overthrown the monarchy. Ex-Neil Beaton and Litrenta Collections. D&H Middlesex No: 1017e. Diameter 29mm

I love Conder tokens as examples of social history and in many cases for the designs. 4 more arrived today: 1795 Somerset Mary Lambe’s Bath copper Conder farthing token. Obverse: A tea chest inscribed: “M. LAMBE & SON GROCERS BATH”, separated by some Chinese characters with legend: “SPICES TEAS SUGARS COFFEES”. Reverse: A monogram cypher of: “LL” in centre with legend: “A BATH FARTHING TOKEN 1795”. Plain edge. Mary Lambe & Son were grocers and tea dealers of Stall Street in Bath. Ex-Neil Beaton Collection. D&H Somerset No: 112a. Diameter 23mm 1794 Halfpenny Somerset Conder Token John Jelly’s Bath Religious Botanic Gardens. Reverse: Cedar tree beside overgrown ruin with legend: “EVEN UNTO THE HYSSOP THAT SPRINGETH OUT OF THE WALL”, “1. KINGS: CH: 4. V: 33.”. Obverse: Detailed archway into botanic gardens with legend: “HE SPAKE OF TREES, FROM THE CEDAR TREE THAT IS IN LEBANON”, “BATH TOKEN 1794”. Plain edge. This was issued by John Jelly who owned the Botanic Gardens. He later became bankrupt as a result in 1795. Ex-Wayne Anderson Collection. D&H Somerset No: 26. Diameter 30.4mm

Many private sellers will be just like us, fervent collectors

Seller beware (or caveat venditor) especially applies on eBay, where the buyer can claim not to have received the coin (even with a signature) and eBay will invariably side with the buyer in the absence of any hard evidence either way

Pete's 1860 F9 Mule Penny

Thanks Pete

I bought it to keep as my G IV penny example, but if I don't like it in hand when it arrives, then yes! Bit of a minefield this collecting game at times ...

Pete, goes without saying but I appreciate your honest opinions, one of the things I like about this Forum! Not got it in hand yet, it will arrive Tues/Weds I expect, when it will be closely examined! So too early to say whether I am happy yet ... most of my dabbles into copper / bronze in the past have been ill-advised, I should stick to what I know perhaps!