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Perfect, enjoy the decorating

Thank acc. and coppers, all sorted! As also being a new bidder you had me worried there. Now I'm worried about the amount of interest Fancy a game of pontoon, Gary? I don't think our hammered lots will clash, it's Clive and Rob I'm worried about!

It is a worry, but I have even less trust to write a blank cheque to someone who's got a vested interest in the coin selling well! I still can find the strength to state exactly what I'm prepared to pay, it feels really alien. Don't suppose you, or anyone else, is going to be on the floor, by any chance?

Thank acc. and coppers, all sorted!

I've submitted my bids already but I notice that when you click on "Bid Live" it pops up with: "This facility will be made available on the day of the auction." Promising, but I'd ring them today to be sure - 020 7016 1700. Thanks, Clive, just phoned, and all sorted to bid! For any other web viewers seeing this, it's quite simply a case of creating an account, no credit or debit cards to register! And, they do just run it on the day!

Does anyone know whether DNW have their live-bidding facility operational for tomorrow's sale? I can't remember if it was their website that has it just sat there but never actually doing anything? I did email them, but all they did was send me an online catalogue! Pah!

I guess this would be another example of how a web resource cataloguing as many of the dies as possible would be useful. Because finding a matching obverse die with a '62 reverse would provide the answer, and maybe this is the next natural line of enquiry. I think the use of drawings have their place, and for the most part are excellent in BCW, though I still think a quality photographic equivilent would be better. Just imagine a resource where you could find say 5 different rose 9's in varying grades and states of break-up! And then with another click, pop up 5 rose 5's to view alongside! And re the orientation, they are not consistent, though I will know a great deal more when I start poking around with the dies. I've been playing with the shillings up until now, so no roses involved. A matching obverse won't be needed - I was mainly thinking about the letter punches as it would be unlikely that only the rose punch were changed during the period. Thanks, seuk, I'll take a look and see what I can dig-up, I've got a couple from both periods. I've just spent all morning searching the internet for a decent image of a rose 9 without success, so... Does anyone have a 1565 Pheon threepence, or can lay their hands on a good image? These are all meant to bear rose 9, as does one obverse of the 1565 rose-mintmarked threepence. Will check-out the letter punches

I guess this would be another example of how a web resource cataloguing as many of the dies as possible would be useful. Because finding a matching obverse die with a '62 reverse would provide the answer, and maybe this is the next natural line of enquiry. I think the use of drawings have their place, and for the most part are excellent in BCW, though I still think a quality photographic equivilent would be better. Just imagine a resource where you could find say 5 different rose 9's in varying grades and states of break-up! And then with another click, pop up 5 rose 5's to view alongside! And re the orientation, they are not consistent, though I will know a great deal more when I start poking around with the dies. I've been playing with the shillings up until now, so no roses involved.

Thanks! It was Stuart and his cut out roses that inspired me! Totally outclassed me with that one, TG, excellent! I will of course be pinching the idea as part of a website design!

WHOOPS! A possible error! There was an earlier rose 5 used on the threepence obverses, but these were thought to be discontinued in 1562. Rose 5 also doesn't appear in BCW with the 322 legend or anything later than a '62 reverse. Either way it's a very unusual pairing (?mule), and a new rare variety for BCW, as well as presumeably an update of the chronology that accompanies rose 5? Here are the original BCW line-drawings alongside, I think it's a rose 5, what do you think?

I wasn't sure what they meant by "lettered edge, with bright proof like finish" and assumed it wasn't something to get excited about so gave it a miss. Now if it had been an edge error or upside down I would have sat up and took notice. Yes, it would be interesting! What exactly DOES lettered edge mean? They're ALL lettered! Poor bit of promotion on the auction's part, if it didn't properly distinguish a significant difference!

What do you do here, is there a link, or could you explain? What happens when salt is involved? Danger of disolving the coin! Isn't olive oil and patience the "OK" way to handle verdigris? NO! I had a C2 farthing in oil for over a year! It's still got one pea-green spot right in the middle of the reverse field that I can't 'pick' off.

Maybe it's a trick the brain plays, like on this Quite Interesting clip? I do like Stephen Fry!

Thanks Azda and Paulus. I appreciate it and the consensus (i.e. it's not just me). I was looking at Edward VII stuff today and for the life of me - the ear was incuse! Brain is saying - no it's not, look again. For something like that I know it's the eyes playing tricks, and I know to look away, give it a minute and carry on - but your coin beat me Azda, it was under the radar! It's the 3 pellets in the reverse quarters of the Long Cross pennies that get me the most!

and then it all goes streaky 1927-1931 - do you think that's production, or ore? I find ALL 1926s are dark, to be honest. As for streaky, I have pennies from 1921 to 1926 with very streaky lustre. But if you're talking about pennies without lustre, the worst offenders are some of the 1920s and 1921s - they have lots of brass coloured flecks in, which I'm told is due to the use of leftover gun shells in the mix, but some are just plain streaky. I'd not noticed it on the final issue George V though, do you have pictures? Streaky E7's too!

not just pennies, I'm sure. Here's my 1902 halfpenny and it matches your description perfectly, Stuart! Yes, unfortunately I don't have the images, or coins, of the two I'm talking about (peck), but they looked almost toy-money in appearance, like you'd imagine a matt brass proof to look like! Any ideas, then, what it's all about? I've had a route back through some paperwork...they were both 1906 pennies, I didn't really like them, I have to say, never fitted in at all!

I think we HAVE a metallurgist in the house! Interesting!

Thanks Bob, I was totally unaware of that obverse variation - will try and get a better image of the A in my specimen played with my new toy - a cheap USB microscope, on my 1860JA details of the N over Z, the recut O of ONE (hard to spot on my coin), recut R of REG, and yes I agree an odd A in VICTORIA David Nice toy, David, Father Christmas HAS been early! I really like this N/Z overstrike, it's definitely one of the prettier errors out there, adding that elegant downturn to the left foot. A nice bit 'O' calligraphy!

not just pennies, I'm sure. Here's my 1902 halfpenny and it matches your description perfectly, Stuart! Yes, unfortunately I don't have the images, or coins, of the two I'm talking about (peck), but they looked almost toy-money in appearance, like you'd imagine a matt brass proof to look like! Any ideas, then, what it's all about?

My brief too for hammered! AND Father Christmas drinks Talisker, you ask him!

It sounds like you've got a valuable relationship with CGS, you can never have too many contacts in this hobby! Good for you, divemaster, I'd be happy to have that in-ness with CSG, even though I don't actively collect slabs.

What do you do here, is there a link, or could you explain? What happens when salt is involved?

No worries, Bob I'd be very interested to see what they say about the Edinburgh collection if you find the time to post it on here. Here's how Michael Gouby describes the N over N Michael, a Z sideways is an N! I think we all know what we mean though!