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What is interesting, though, is all 4 coins, including the CGS coin, show the same weaknesses of strike, pointing at the CGS coin as being either fake, or the pirate coin itself from which the copies were made? Is it for sale?

Grrrr, took me a whole hour to get online tonight! Anyway, here's my example (top left) along with the CGS coin, forgery Network coin, etc.! They all look to be from the same die, which either means CGS has slipped up, or the H7 groats from this die were the most numerous and one was copied at some point, leaving a potential pile of fakes from this die, as well as a number of the originals from the original die, complicating things somewhat! If it was my CGS coin I'd rip it out under video, weigh, tap, measure, and silver test it! However, it definitely looks better than the other 3, but it's not a significant difference in quality, I have to say! Having said all that, mine's very obviously thicker, and I'd expect CGS to be at least THAT good, as much as it annoys me to say so!

No, I think you're absolutely right! (Sorry not to give you a good argument...) Having said that, most of the designs aren't attractive enough in anything much less than UNC. The halfcrowns, florins and sixpences especially look rather shabby as soon as they start to wear much, same with the obverses. Oh I agree that they go 'off' very quickly. That's why I'm happy to collect in EF and upwards, but I'm not too concerned to go for the nirvana of UNC. I'm primarily a collector and so value/investment is secondary but not completely ignored, and for this reason I can see that Liz II coins in particular are very unlikely to command investment prices in my lifetime, even in the top condition. Hence, I don't see paying top prices for a common and unremarkable coin, even if it is unusual for that date to be found in UNC.For me it's always about pushing the boundaries and, if you can't keep an eye out for the TOP in E2 coins, then where else can you put together a quality collection?It totally depends on your focus and, having agreed the E2 coins go 'off' with barely a rub, I can't see why someone wouldn't want the very best? There are few monarchs where you can pursue this at such little cost! As I said before, for me at least, the E2 coinage is a happy drug, which still gives the buzz if I'm compiling it diligently, and without compromise! I mean, why would you spend one pound on something ordinary, when two pounds buys you a bit of jazz? Just my anal, pedantic, perfectionist self, coming on...it just wouldn't interest me without this detail and focus! To each their own! Happy daze!

Look like similar dies on a quick scan! I've actually got one of these, will get on the PC later!

Saxby's is forever listing the humble E1 penny and Threehalfpence as the rarer and more expensive threefarthings! The seller is a numismatic joke! Unbelievable fraudster OR genuine simpleton, take your pick!

Just taken a look at Chris' image of the Churchill! The problem with the overall design ( from the point of view of finding a mint circulation example) is Churchill only has to rub a surface for 20 seconds to show significant marks, such is the flatness of the design. Another shocking thought occurs, and that is this is a 50 year old coin next year!

Hah, yes, indeed! But I can 'just about' make the excuse that I'm simply collecting the Elizabeth coinage, at least until I can start properly lashing out on a top-end E1 collection that I can keep!I've done the ground work on E1 but, in the mean time, I'm just keeping myself interested with a bit 'o' Liz! Incidentally, it's this little E2 foray that has had me note the Churchill Crown is not so 'top-collector-grade' common as we'd all like to think it is! All good fun!

Join the que. I don't think they even left the mlnt like that. The nearest you will get is a VIP proof.This is what I was thinking, Gary, even the most commonly coin has its rarity! I'd seriously like a quality one, though, if anyone has such a thing?

Just as an aside, what did CGS value it at?

I think it's a radical coin too! Anyone got an unblemished BU out there? No rim nicks, or digs, nice lustre? I want one, please!

The grammar and spelling says polished and S. plated circulation copper to me! Anyone that knows enough to "rite" scarce silver proof in their description, should also know that appalling grammar and a small feedback is not the place to roll such a piece out! Tosh!

Sell it to your dealer for £30! I can find him plenty of others if he's happy to pay that?

So, there you have it...a piece of £20 silver delivered for £117...bargain!Paulus' link (thanks, by the way!) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151310748742?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D151310748742%26_rdc%3D1

Starting to wish this was a Members Only section... Good job it wasn't you, then! You're all miles off the mark!

Just had a pleasant email! Well done, Sir!

I got around £30 for mine http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/7161-interesting-elizabeth-i-fake-shilling/?fromsearch=1Sold as a job lot of 3, including the H8 and E1 fake groats! So, basically a tenner each! Grrr! Edit: Looking back, it would be worth contact such sellers with a photo of an equivalent coin, and say I'd like a £100 for it! They might get their fingers burnt with greed, as I'd be surprised to see them achieve the same price twice!

LOL I've replied to the last post in a thread before this ... only to then find out it was only the last post on that page and my reply makes no sense half a page on! An easy mistake ...Also, for whatever reason, when I responded to Peck's reply, it was actually the last post showing on my refreshed page! All the other posts somehow dropped in between mine and Peck's posts...who knows what's going on, I've experienced it a lot of times?The only solution would be to multi-quote on every occasion but, for an off the cuff remark like mine, it didn't seem worth quoting half a page of text just to add it? If you know what I mean? Edit: just fully understood your post, TG...yes, I do that all the time too!

What?Difficult to write phonetically, but I meant (translates as...) 'doh, typical, phhh, just like you, Peck...laugh, laugh!'If you know what I mean? Edit: just realised a whole pile of posts occurred since I posted the Peeeck thang! Weird how that happens...you respond to a post, not wanting to jam up a page with multi-quotes, and look what happens?

Peeeeeck!

Charge an extra £100 or not? Hmmmm! To hear people talk, you would think their only interest in numismatics was purely financial! Provenance unnecessarily lost, I totally agree!

I think what Stuart is talking about is the 56 bids and £112 price Tag for a £30 coin. A clear example of shill biddingNo, looks to be a straight coin, Paul, on this occasion and, yes, spot on, Dave!

C'mon, please! 151310748742

It's clearly a larger leaf/acorn design, putting the leaves right up against the legend and date! Good major variety find, Dave! ;