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Hi Dave, that sounds like the one! Well done. Here's mine:

I noticed that error also! The coin does have a 2nd "1" impression slightly to the left of the 2nd one (1) in the date! I saw the second '1', but it's not something I would particularly bother to collect and certainly not what he is selling it as! It'll be interesting to see whether he replies to my email.

Freeman lists just the one (F-163) but David Groom lists 13 combinations, made up of permutations on the position of the '7' and the length of the tail of the '9'. He goes on to mention open & closed loop '9's but doesn't attempt to list all the potential combinations resulting from this addition! Only one type in the collection for me, though your photos do demonstrate a clear difference between the varieties.

This extremely rare Freeman 21 (3+D) is actually the common Freeman 29 (6+D). Watch out! I've informed the seller.

As well as being cleaned, I think the reason there are no edge knocks is because they have been removed. If you look carefully, the coin appears to have chamfered edges. The chamfers are very even in shape and tone. Also the description 'EX details' sounds remarkably similar to the TPG description 'XF details', which denotes a coin that they have declined to fully grade due to a 'problem' (eg. major scratching, cleaning etc.)

Ps. My CCGB hasn't arrived yet, but I'm not chasing . I can only help with photos of pennies from 1797, which I imagine you don't need?

Which reminds me, whatever happened to Bill Pugsley? He arrived like a whirlwind and took a great deal of trouble to write about and defend the actions of CGS on this forum. I enjoyed his input to the debate and hoped he'd stick around. Did we frighten him off, did he secretly decide that the CGS business model was failing and felt too embarrassed to stay, or did he just lose interest in chatting about coins? Last active April 2013.

Hammered / milled makes more sense to me, especially if the decimals were hived off into a softback produced every two or three years (after all, the values of decimals change even less than Roman and Ancients). Hammered / milled would give approximately half a book each, where pre-decimal / decimal would be about 7:1. But perhaps they've already identified that's where the biggest market split is? Actually a more careful reading of Spink 2014 reveals a dichotomy! Page 553 of the decimal section has a Spink colour 'advert', stating 'Coming next year. The Decimal Coins of England. From next year the Decimal Coinage will be published in a separate volume'. On the other hand, Philip Skingley's editorial on page ix states, 'We had previously stated that we would be removing the Decimal section to a separate volume, this again has not happened this year. We had intended to improve the section with more illustrations and greater detail but, since taking the decision, we have received almost no information from the Royal Mint whatsoever in the past two years and it seems that their policy is to disassociate themselves from the general UK coin trade who have supported their products for decades and created the very collectors who buy the coins from them. We still aim to produce a separate volume but will have to wait to gather the information as products appear rather than having official notification from the Royal Mint as they are released'. A very sad reflection of the Royal Mint in my opinion, but probably par for today's attitude from officialdom in many areas! Anyway, certainly no confirmation of a separate volume next year from Mr Skingley.

Welcome to the forum!Santa managed to bring me Spink 2014, so I've had lots to read. A number of changes in presentation this year and the promise of 2 volumes next year. A few day's break before the New Year festivities now I got my copy as well How is the book going to be split...hammered/milled? If CCGB can eventually cover milled it will be interesting. The split will be into pre-decimal and decimal, Peter. Only one volume I'll need to buy!

Welcome to the forum! Santa managed to bring me Spink 2014, so I've had lots to read. A number of changes in presentation this year and the promise of 2 volumes next year. A few day's break before the New Year festivities now

What's that then? Jesus was born in September

Just spoke to my brother in Melbourne who's over there for the ashes tour!

Definitely good old British irony The '4 to tooth' is certainly rarer though.

Can't let you talk to yourself, Peter Family still asleep here so I'm drinking tea reading the forum.... Calm before the storm.... A very busy day ahead. I may well get a copy of Spink , but no coins! Happy Christmas!

thank you,i posted a picture of some of what i inherited,what do u think would be my best option with these if/when i decide to sell,please if you dont mind,after all ye are there to help newcomers Unfortunately the photo is low resolution, so it's difficult to see exactly what you have there. It looks like a lot of proof sets and individual proof coins, possibly some gold, maybe Britannias and certainly commemorative coins. Unfortunately these are modern and not my area of interest, but they do sell. Others here will be able to advise you further, but will still need a higher resolution photo.

Hi Angela, by the sound of it you've inherited two coin collections. Very nice! The possible Scarborough piece and the 1983 pound are at opposite ends of the scale. You inferred before that you have a lot of coins which, I would guess, sit somewhere between these (i.e. the main body of your collections). It would be good to see a few of these coins so that we can get a feel for what you have and advise you accordingly. We do want to help and there's a great deal of expertise here, but we need to get a better understanding to do so.

I just looked thru 10 1904 Pennies, and didn't find any with the 4 over the tooth! I would assume it is the most difficult to find. Yes Bob, they're unbelievably difficult to find and worth $15,995! Or the narrow date 1877 on your website, of course

I do generally agree with you. Apart from the 'normal' (top in my photo) variety, I might just include a 'last 4 points to tooth' in the collection, though, as it's so different. I know several others have indicated the same in previous postings. Interesting about the 60s Coin Monthly info. I have a few ED VII pennies collected during that period with notes like 'short nines', 'plume flaw', 'closed 9', 'plume joined to back of helmet', 'large plume flaw' etc. I can barely (and it could even be my imagination) make out any difference between them. Someone has spent an awful lot of time with a loupe and, very possibly, a Coin Monthly article to come up with these minuscule differences!

I think it depends how you define 'lower price classical bits', 'middle ground coins' and 'big spender coins', Vicky? Taking pennies, I'm not sure there's ever been a market (or ever will be) for common 20thC pennies in average circulated condition (which can mean EF+ for, say, 1967) or the Victorian washers you see on eBay. To me, these aren't 'low end' but 'unsaleable' coins. Given the ample supply, 'low end' should mean coins in considerably better than average condition, i.e. A/UNC for many 20C pennies and VF+ for the less common varieties (in the £5 - £50 range). I've not seen any evidence of prices falling away here. You're certainly right about 'middle ground' (£50 - £500) and top end (£500+). These appear to be gaining with, as always, a sharp focus on the very best or rarest examples.

Ooops… I'm living in the past as usual!

"You can't beat a bit of Bully-on" "You get nothing in this game for two in a bid" I must have missed that show! Sounds very Larry Grayson "shut that door" era?

I know this has been discussed before but, as far as I can tell from searching, never had it's own 'unlisted varieties' thread. Strictly it's not unlisted as David includes some details in his excellent book, though only two very small photos. I've been going through quite a few 1904 pennies and there appears to be a very definite rotation of the last '4' in 1904. Here's a selection of what I've found:

The fifth coin looks like some of the silver I stored in pvc album pockets for nearly 40 years (not any more, I should add!), with a blue/green deposit caused by 'sweating'. It could just be the photos though. Accum, A quick dip in carbon Tet. will remove the green residue caused by polyvinyl sweating. Wear gloves though, it does not burn, but does absorb in the skin! If you can get hold of any. Wonderful solvent, but a no-no under H&S regs. It's fair to say that it's easier to list what it doesn't do. Carbon Tet was originally used as a parts cleaner here in the Industrial Factories, but is still available as a "coin solvent" here in the U.S., though there are warnings from the EPA about absobtion in the skin. It is risky stuff.... Carbon tet. was the cleaner of choice where I worked many many years ago. I used acetone on my old coins, and it worked fine.

Let me try. 1st and 2nd. Hmm. I think you'll find it's your browser not the forum software. You're not using the dreaded IE by any chance? But that's not a thread title, is it! You're right Nick, it's a peculiarity of the thread title, which is automatically capitalised by the software. Not a problem in posts. I happen to use Safari, but it's not a browser issue. Try starting a thread with the title "This is the 1st time I've tried to not type 1St", Peckris.

The fifth coin looks like some of the silver I stored in pvc album pockets for nearly 40 years (not any more, I should add!), with a blue/green deposit caused by 'sweating'. It could just be the photos though.