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Cleaning is detremental to a coin and not describing as such especially through an experienced auction house would then lead to being open for a return, such as a holed coin would be. The new concept of deacribing something as "of bright appearance" which is cropping up quite often these days is more or less another way of substituting "cleaned" from the Description, which in turn would mean low estimates and bids

Herne is the Thread that MHCOINS started about Lockdales, ist also Sems that 1 or 2 Sent some coins back for cleaning, it Males interesting reading, als you can see Mark, it's not just me who slates them for overgrading http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/9548-lockdales/

Proof for me Deep cameo first strike FDCMS72

Proof for me

Thanks Dave, exactly what I thought, how could it be otherwise?Head, brick wall and banging come to mind, but as I said earlier, I've had previous with online auctions, well one in particular and have been through all trading standards site and knew the legal standpoint for online auctions. eBay is entirely a different entity

If they sold you a fake or previously holed coin I bet you could return it? The coins that were fake NO, I lost £400 because of their technical jargon, I even went to trading standards and still lost. DNW were fine as they said it was their fault, they did mention the hole at the start of the auction apparently but I was'nt around for the start of it to hear and it was'nt in their online notices either so they did'nt mind at that point

And Now I rest my case the cooling off period won’t apply You might not get the right to a cooling-off period if: ·you buy certain goods and services which the law says aren't covered by a cooling-off period ·you're a business buyer ·you bid for something in a public auction. An online auction is not a public auction because you cannot attend it, so you should get the right to cancel when you buy something through an online auction you buy from a private individual and not a business ·you agree for a service to be fully performed straight away. This depends on a number of factors and could mean that you lose your right to cancel. More about your rights when you buy from a private individual More about agreeing for a service bought by distance sale to start straight away

They could, but you shouldn't have to give a reason if you are covered by a form of 'distance selling, cooling off period legislation' - I am just trying to establish whether that is the law nowadays?Head over to the saleroom and read ANY of their TOCs and I'll bet £100 that NONE mention returns

Correct Paul, as stated previously auction houses are immune to the rule. I've had 2 instances, 1 with DNW which i was refunded due to their error and another where i bought a bunch of fales which were just described as coins and i got trading standards involved and lost because they were apparently as described "coins" Grading won't get your money back nor will a change of mind asthey sell on BEHALF of a 3rd party, trust me, there's ni 14 day money back at auction houses unless they send a wrong coin or some other serious issue such as mine was from DNW ImGine if 30 or 40 people had a change of mind at auction, they would'nt be in business.

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Your link is for online purchases, does it also detail auction houses? No, just high street online purchases

Sorrybut nothing ofthis nature was mentioned when MHCOINS also stated that fact, try looking up histhread

Auction houses are exempt from the 14 day rule as i have had issues previously and was told this. Only under exceptional circumstances would they take anything back, grading would'nt be one of those as its subjective I sent back a Northumberland shilling to DNW becauseit had been previously holed and was skillfully repaired but was'nt stated i their catalogue but was inly mentioned on the dayof bidding

I also believe hammered coins can be graded and i'd say this was NEF, although everyone has their opinion eapecially if you're the buyer or the seller. I'm neither, just my opinion

I believe auctions are immune to this system of 14 day return

Beauty is inthe eye ofthe beholder Stewie and eventually its new buyer P.s the halfcrown above is milled

Very true, but they are piss poor when it comes To grading, its all about £s Paul. I remember Alan from MHCOINS had a little issue with their grading around the start of the year, he started a topic, you should be able to find it. Mark obviously never read Alans post either, i would say IMO Lockdales are serial overgraders, judging by the NEF grade inthe above coin and others from there.

Yes, i use them with extreme caution

Thenmy apoligies.....I don't see thaton the iphone, just Peter above his avtar

And here's mine, 6.2g give or take as my scales are'nt perfect, so there you go Mr Sole

Are you being derogatory? I don't see anyone called Mr Sole and can only assume that as Peter gave you an honest opinion of your coin you're calling him R.Sole, if not i'd be happy to hear your explaination of the Sole comment.

To be honest Paul, who cares, if they want to squabble over a coin that basically won't change its name to suit them, then fine, let them quartel. Its always been a godless florin in the UK, they won't invade because of it

Its godless for a reason because dei gratia was omitted.

The CNUT if genuine is way better than just fine, there's a hell if a difference in grading gap between what your friend says and the card, i'd say minimum VF ir better

The labels are certainly out, although the coins themselves do look reasonable at EF grades and not UNCs, best offer options are avaliable