Peckris

OK, so the company is dissolved and not sold. I wonder who owns the copyright - presumably whoever the owner of the company was? I believe the title was offered to Token Publishing, who turned it down? This would have been mid-1990s. That's why I suggest they might be the best people to ask.

Any plastic envelope sold specifically for coins should not contain any PVC, nor should they have done for the past 30 years or more. As for lustre, provided the sleeves are stored in a dry, pollution-free environment, coins should preserve their lustre indefinitely. However, coins should be checked at least annually to make sure the plastic isn't "sweating"; keep a supply of new sleeves at hand to replace any that are suspect. I know the question was specifically about plastic envelopes but, unless you wish to look at the coins regularly, wouldn't it be better to use acid-free paper envelopes instead? Coins are a hobby - you'd want to look at them reasonably often, or what's the point? At least with plastic envelopes you don't need to remove the coin at all, unless replacing the envelope. With paper envelopes, you could be constantly sliding the coin in and out which would cause friction and the risks associated with handling. Cabinets with felt linings are good, but there is still handling involved to see both sides. The one advantage of slabs and plastic envelopes is you can see both sides of the coin without having to handle it.

This pub is listed in 1830 on this site as being run by Hannah Blew, and is listed in an 1891 census as being on the High Street here. I suggest you search for old Stourbidge notices which may hopefully tie the name on the token to a specific period. It's probably late 18th-early 19th century, but would need pursuing. The Gothic style of lettering would place it much later than 18th Century - more like the mid-19th possibly, when the Gothic revival was at its height? I'm thinking more in line with tokens to replace non-existent currency for payment. There wasn't a shortage of currency in the mid-19th century. I would have thought that token issuing almost ceased after say 1820 having been outlawed (again) in the previous decade. The key to it will be finding out when E Jones was landlord. Census returns after 1851 will probably eliminate the last 160 years. That's certainly the key to it. As for tokens in general - pub tokens continued long after the general token industry had ended, and carried on into the 20th Century, used for anything from juke boxes to fruit machines to gambling where there wasn't a gambling licence, etc.

I have now discovered that I have the article published in Coin Monthly February 1979 - "Survey of 20,000 Florins" by Ron Stafford. It runs to around 8 pages which I could scan and upload here one-by-one, if you're interested. All the 10p varieties known up to 1978 were included in his results, with illustrated examples of each type. Hopefully there are no copyright issues with doing this, as CM ceased to exist nearly 20 years ago? I'd quite like to know exactly what the copyright situation is for this publication. Somebody on here, a few months back, suggested that it would be useful if the entire series of CMs could be digitised as a resource. I have pretty much all of them right up to early 1992 and have a scanner plus the software and skills, plus time to do it, but it's a huge task and I ain't going to if I immediately fall foul of copyright. Does anybody know? My understanding is that copyright lasts at least 70 or 80 years, and presumably when CM went out of business it was sold to another publisher. If so then they and their descendent companies now own the copyright. However, if it just ceased trading then I don't know what the situation is. CM was published by the Numismatic Publishing Company - Googling it doesn't come up with anything. My thought is that Token Publishing (who publish Coin News) might be the best people to ask? I did scan and upload an article on varieties published in the Coin And Medals Annual 1970. That hasn't brought any comeback. I don't think people care that much in this particular field, but to upload the entire magazine contents over its run - that would be a different matter possibly.

If you mean Derek (Red Riley)'s project (above) - yes, it's the kind of book you wonder that no-one had thought of producing decades earlier. For beginners and those new to certain "types", it's absolutely indispensable, and an irreplaceable reference point for all of us. (Ah, for the days when I was still a GVF )

This pub is listed in 1830 on this site as being run by Hannah Blew, and is listed in an 1891 census as being on the High Street here. I suggest you search for old Stourbidge notices which may hopefully tie the name on the token to a specific period. It's probably late 18th-early 19th century, but would need pursuing. The Gothic style of lettering would place it much later than 18th Century - more like the mid-19th possibly, when the Gothic revival was at its height?

For those of us who are happier counting on our fingers and keeping notes on scruffy bits of paper, websites simply come as a package - even then they are capable of causing utter confusion in the untrained mind. Hence, although mine wasn't that expensive to set up, it is essentially a compromise and if I were to start from scratch I would include lots of features which it doesn't have and delete lots of useless things that it does. So I would urge you to use a little patience, the dealer is probably sitting screaming at his computer screen just as smoke is coming out of your ears while you browse his site... In the early days of computers (so the story goes), one company experienced a serious hardware failure and called in a firm of computer engineers. The engineer arrived, spent about 10 minutes examining the computer, then put a cross on one component to be replaced, and left. The invoice was for £10,000. The furious company director demanded a detailed breakdown of the invoice. The engineer sent the following : - Marking a cross on a failed component : £10 - Knowing where to look : £9,990

I have now discovered that I have the article published in Coin Monthly February 1979 - "Survey of 20,000 Florins" by Ron Stafford. It runs to around 8 pages which I could scan and upload here one-by-one, if you're interested. All the 10p varieties known up to 1978 were included in his results, with illustrated examples of each type. Hopefully there are no copyright issues with doing this, as CM ceased to exist nearly 20 years ago?

Any plastic envelope sold specifically for coins should not contain any PVC, nor should they have done for the past 30 years or more. As for lustre, provided the sleeves are stored in a dry, pollution-free environment, coins should preserve their lustre indefinitely. However, coins should be checked at least annually to make sure the plastic isn't "sweating"; keep a supply of new sleeves at hand to replace any that are suspect.

I'm afraid year IS important! They only occur in 1797 flavour (along with their heavier sibling the twopence) I will keep my eye out ("Ouch" I hear Prof Cousins say) for one, but you'd be best having a look on eBay as these aren't really a forgery risk. If you find something there, post the link to it here and we can tell if it's worth bidding on. Don't worry, there's plenty about. The Isle of Man cartwheel penny is dated 1798 and they appear not infrequently. If it has the 3 Legs of Man on the reverse this is not what you want, though a decent example is much scarcer than a British penny. As is the halfpenny - the only cartwheel halfpenny I have Sadly not in very good condition.

magpie may have been a better name, they like shiny objects too I actually like magpie better but it was a late thought, so if Peck wants to change it AGAIN go for it Peck Unfortunately powers to me have don't I, ascribing to me you are Chris changing your username able to he is Jedi merely I am

I'm afraid year IS important! They only occur in 1797 flavour (along with their heavier sibling the twopence) I will keep my eye out ("Ouch" I hear Prof Cousins say) for one, but you'd be best having a look on eBay as these aren't really a forgery risk. If you find something there, post the link to it here and we can tell if it's worth bidding on. Don't worry, there's plenty about.

The reverse has no discernible wear and what looks like full lustre - I'd give that UNC. The obverse has a few light flattened points - I'd give that GEF. So, GEF/UNC. (The reverse is always better than the obverse on that series, right up until 1926 - unless the coin is truly UNC of course!)

B over R i think Bowlocks

But he hasn't got an oar, he's Oaralus times 2. A very interesting coin, Azda. Sorry, that's total rollocks

Hey, don't mock - that hole looks UNC to me! The seller promises that the coin we get is the one in the picture - awww shucks...

These were published in various editions of Coin Monthly magazine. There are people in this forum who probably have copies of these and could upload them. There is a good case for Chris to find space in CHECK YOUR CHANGE for them, even though they are not legal tender anymore. Otherwise we're left with the risible notion that 1992 was the only year for 10p varieties. There were several much more rare before then.

You'd be very lucky to get it for less than £100. Its one of those hyped coins Derek, like the 1979 Twopence where Spink has vastly over rated it. Only in Fine and VF. It is a genuinely scarce - even rare - coin in true EF or better. Well here's the obverse: Paid £166, I am pleased as I was prepared to go a little higher, although that is a lot for me and I am a little less delighted after some of the replies! Actually the most annoying thing is that it is just a tad too small for my biggest L***th***e 2x2 coin holder (39.5 mm), does anyone know if anywhere sells them slightly bigger? Nice example - EF I'd say. Good price too. My comments above were in reply to Dave's remarks about the 1797 twopence. The 1804 dollar is a lot scarcer. By the way, did you know your thread appears on the main page abbreviated to "Finally got meself a doll" ??? So I see! I have one of those too, a very choice piece except it has unfortunately been holed ... In at least 3 places?

You'd be very lucky to get it for less than £100. Its one of those hyped coins Derek, like the 1979 Twopence where Spink has vastly over rated it. Only in Fine and VF. It is a genuinely scarce - even rare - coin in true EF or better. Well here's the obverse: Paid £166, I am pleased as I was prepared to go a little higher, although that is a lot for me and I am a little less delighted after some of the replies! Actually the most annoying thing is that it is just a tad too small for my biggest L***th***e 2x2 coin holder (39.5 mm), does anyone know if anywhere sells them slightly bigger? Nice example - EF I'd say. Good price too. My comments above were in reply to Dave's remarks about the 1797 twopence. The 1804 dollar is a lot scarcer. By the way, did you know your thread appears on the main page abbreviated to "Finally got meself a doll" ???

Which would explain no gap in the letter C. Quite a blade, that King Oar

That's possible? But possibly quite normal for the period? Thanks for the compliment - as it's a scan, the shimmering mirror fields have been totally killed; it's a far far better coin than it looks there.

It looks like a die crack (or several close together). Could be - but what's coming down through the middle of upper loop is what looks like a vertical downstroke at a slight slant, with raised edges on either side. And at the base of the proper downstroke there appears to be something curving to the right and up, like the bottom of a B. What do you think?

What do you make of the last R in BRITANNIAR on this 1821 sixpence? It seems a right mess, but I can't make it out at all.

This was also my thought Peck, how would it add metal? Something would have to cut into the die at that precise point - seems too much of a coincidence.